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we mig-lit set up such an arrangement. This is one of the things that 

 the gentleman who is going to follow me, Admiral Stephan, and I 

 had some impact on the Commission, I believe, in setting up NACO. 

 The thing is that I know the way we are doing it now isn't right and 

 these are the things that have to be done. 



Bow you put them together I haven't the slightest idea, and I don't 

 envy you the problem. But it is a problem that you have to solve. I 

 am not an expert. 



]V1t. Feey. Thank you, sir. I appreciate your remarks. 



Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



M]'. Lennon. Thank you, sir. 



Doctor, we appreciate very much your statement and hope that your 

 interest will continue, as I am sure it will. 



Now, Counsel ? 



Mr. Drewet. Dr. Kirkbride, you mentioned three priority items, the 

 three most important things in the report. I have heard on the outside 

 that you favored the legislating of NACO irrespective of NO AA. Your 

 statement doesn't say that. You say you want NACO and NOAA si- 

 multaneously. I wonder if maybe the question of the priority might be 

 the thing that has caused the confusion. You do favor NOAA and 

 NACO simultaneously? 



Dr. KiKKBKiDE. Yes, sir. 



Mr. Dke^vry. But you feel that they are necessary to each other and 

 that maybe, without NACO, NOAA could fail and, therefore, you as- 

 sign first priority to NACO ? I am thinking about your early remarks 

 as they came out in the press, and I wanted to help you spell them out. 



Dr. Kirkbride. This is the situation. As I mentioned, I don't know 

 anything about organizing in the bureaucratic setup as you are faced 

 with it. Consequently, I can have very firm and very hard, fast feel- 

 ings about this and I can talk very authoritatively, but my statements 

 on this would not mean very much. 



Originally I did have tha;t viewpoint that NACO could be set up 

 separately but after reviewing this with a number of the members of 

 the Commission, and these gentlemen are really smart and they de- 

 voted an awful lot of detailed attention to this, I have come to the con- 

 clusion that it would be a bad gamble to set up NACO by itself.^ It 

 might be shot down in political flames, before you got an organization 

 such as NOAA for it to hide behind. 



Mr. Drewry. As I say, I had heard that. 



Dr. Kirkbride. I have changed my views. 



Mr. Drewry. I see what you are saying here, that you felt that they 

 should be simultaneous. 



Dr. Kirkbride. They are dependent on each other. They comple- 

 ment each other. 



Mr. Dre^vry. The question was posed to Dr. Stratton, and he very 

 strongly felt and was supported by the other Commission members 

 that NACO should not exist prior to NOAA and that they couldn't 

 be in the same kind of relationship to the Council that we have to 

 NOAA. I just wanted to clear up something in my own mind. 



Thank you very much. 



Dr. Kirkbride. Thank you, sir. 



Mr. Lennoist. Thank you very much, Doctor. 



