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Federal structure to find out what is goin^^ on in other States. I think 

 it is very essential that we have a clearinghouse for State activities in 

 the pollution area in order to prevent individual localities from going 

 to the expense and effort of inventing the wheel several times. 



I think if you had a NACO now you would, one, start getting better 

 coordination among States and, two, NACO would be looking at the 

 Federal structure and I think would be updating the recommenda- 

 tions of the Commission as to their views as to how the Federal struc- 

 ture ought to be organized. 



I think that NACO now would work fairly well with the present 

 Council and at least point out what both industry and the States 

 thought that the Federal program should be doino;. So I think that an 

 NACO now, while it wouldn't be as perfect as it might be later on 

 when it was meshed with NOAA, would serve a very useful purpose 

 in giving guidance to the Federal Government's reorganization and to 

 the Congress w- ith respect to the problems they have. 



Also it could start bringing the 30 coastal or Great Lakes States to- 

 gether in working on their in-shore environmental problems. 



Mr. Lexnox. Now, Admiral, with the extension for another year 

 of the National Science Council, certainly it is imjDerative that if the 

 life of the National Science Council expires approximately July 1, 

 1970, that there must be some, if not a Government structure, a Gov- 

 ernment advisory commission that would cover all of the spheres of 

 the ocean marine sciences to hold them together. 



I think you will agree with me that you will recall a problem that 

 arose concerning the establishment of this National Council on Marine 

 Resources and Engineering Development where the administration 

 first objected to it on the philosophy that it would mean simply that 

 you would have people serving on that Council who would in turn 

 replace the old interagency ad hoc committee on oceanography and 

 some of us took the position at that time that the difficulty with inter- 

 agency committee on oceanography was that it was not a policymaking 

 level and we believed that we ought to have at this high echelon in 

 Government this National Council. 



We did review the minutes of all of their meetings to see what their 

 attendance was and at what level they attended those meetings and 

 what took place in them, and that is the reason why many of us, in 

 fact every member of this subcommittee joined in the introduction of 

 legislation to extend the life of the National Science Council. 



Like you, I am completely convinced that the National Advisory 

 Committee ouo-ht to be one of the very first things that this committee 

 approves of, because I think it is one that we can do. without con- 

 sternation or conflict. I don't think there will be any objection on the 

 part of anyone at any level of Government or out of Government that 

 such an Advisory Committee at the national level should be estab- 

 lished by appointment of the President. 



In reading the Commission's report they call on us to establish this 

 National Advisory Committee and go on to say that "The committee 

 should be composed of individuals drawn from outside the Federal 

 Government and should be broadly representative of the Nation's 

 marine and atmospheric interests. The members of NACO, approxi- 

 mately 15 in number * * *" 



That leads me to this question : if such a National Advisory Com- 

 mittee were appointed by the President from outside the Federal 



