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Government and with the advice and consent of the Senate and NOAA 

 is not established, wouldn't we need to continue the National Council 

 on Marine Kesources and Engineering Development as it is presently 

 constituted with the Vice President as chairman and the Cabinet 

 officials constituting the members of the National Science Council ? 



Admiral Stephan. I certainly think you would. I think that you 

 would have to keep that Council until you 



Mr. Lennon. Brought into being a Government structure of some 

 kind. 



Admiral Stephan. For this Advisory Committee to interface 

 with 



Mr. Lennon. If you established a National Advisory Committee 

 exclusive of the Federal relationship, with private enterprise, labora- 

 tories and universities, who would they have to go to if you didn't have 

 the National Council ? 



Admiral Stephan. I guess they would have to go back to the ICO, 

 the interagency committee, but I think that would be a much weaker 

 place for them to interface than your Council. 



Mr. Lennon. Suppose in the act establishing the National Advisory 

 Committee or Commission, was given the authority to counsel with 

 and consult with and advise, to a degree at least, a National Science 

 Council? What I am thinking about is the input from the private 

 sector to the Federal level. If you have out here a National Council 

 or a National Advisory Committee composed of 15 individuals out- 

 side of Government, I don't know that the National Science Council 

 would sit down with them and listen to them and be willing to take 

 their advice, but I could see the necessity for it. 



How would you bring them together ? That is one of the things that 

 we must keep in mind. 



Admiral Stephan. Well, I have a feeling that, if there was this 

 strong Advisory Committee and if they reported to the Executive 

 Branch and particularly if they also reported to the Congress, I be- 

 lieve that the Council would sit down with them because there are 

 many different views as to what the Federal Government should be 

 doing and I think that the Federal Government would welcome this 

 input from both the States and industry as well as the scientific com- 

 munity that they would receive from this Advisory Committee. 



I think that there could be more formal ways for giving strength to 

 the committee established but I have the feeling that the Federal 

 Government would welcome this input just as apparently the Council 

 has welcomed the report of the Commission and is paying serious 

 attention to it. 



Mr. Lennon. I am, of course, speaking of the National Council on 

 Marine Resources and Engineering Development. I want to make that 

 crystal clear that that is what I have reference to. In summarizing 

 your recommendations, I wish you would address yourself, Admiral, 

 in general terms to what you mean by each of these "Close attention to 

 organizational and fiscal differences between the ocean program on 

 the one hand, the space-defense programs on the other." 



Could we get in the record just what your thinking is on that sub- 

 ject? 



