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Mr. Keith. You might be interested to know that Dr. Walter Orr 

 Eoberts, who heads the Boulder Observatory and is probably one of 

 the leading scientists on the atmosphere is going to be testifying before 

 this committee on, I think, May 27, and can help our thinking in that 

 respect. 



In 1966 I visited Dr. Federoff, who as you know is the Kussian 

 representative to the United Nations in the field of oceanography. He 

 told me that in the United States practically every known fact per- 

 tinent to oceanography could be found in some agency, somewhere. 

 But, he said, that there is just no way to find it and therefore it's 

 useless to us. This agency that has been suggested would go a long 

 way toward providing that means of storage and retrieval. It might 

 well give us a more effective role in the field of diplomacy, in areas 

 where oceanographic knowledge is involved. 



I guess that I have no further questions that haven't been or won't 

 be explored. I 'am sorry that I haven't been able to be here for all of 

 your testimony. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Leistngn. Thank you, sir. The gentleman from Michigan, Mr. 

 Euppe. 



Mr. KuppE. I have no questions, thank you. 



Mr. Lennon. Counsel has a question. 



Mr. Drewky. Do you think, Admiral Stephan, that it would per- 

 haps strengthen NACO and make its relationship to the Federal orga- 

 nizations even stronger or smoother if there might be some Govern- 

 ment representation on it ? 



Admiral StephajST. I think that you have to be careful that the 

 Government representation doesn't sort of overwhelm the non-Govern- 

 ment representation. I think there certainly ought to be Government 

 participation in helping NACO establish its position. 



In other words, NACO ought to be able to turn to the Government 

 and find out what their programs and their capabilities are. I think 

 Government ought to be available to NACO. I think that certainly 

 Government should comment on the NACO recommendations but I 

 think that the States and industry should come to Government with 

 what they think Government should be doing in order to support the 

 national program which includes not only the Federal Government 

 but the States, the industry and the scientific community. 



I think you have to be a little careful. How you fit Government in, 

 I don't know exactly, but I think you have to be careful about it. 



Mr. Drewry. I think maybe the essence of the problem here is that 

 you can't truly put all the elements of any single environmental area 

 into a nice hardlined box on an organizational chart. I have heard it 

 expressed that if NACO were purely in the private sector in spite of 

 the fact that NOAA had to take direction, they could find themselves 

 in the position where they are indeed directing this without the fa- 

 miliarity and knowledge of the Federal problems that should be con- 

 sidered, too. 



I guess this is something that we will just have to feel along with as 

 we go because of course there is an area that is mentioned in Dr. 

 Stratton's statement and in the report that while NOAA does not 

 propose to include all ocean related activities of the Federal Govern- 

 ment, that nevertheless there must be some means of communication 

 and coordination between them. 



