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So tlien they recommend a sort of an additional step in there to 

 handle this fuzzy area. I lieard the thon^-ht expressed that in that 

 fuzzy area it might wind up with NOAA dictating to Federal agencies 

 that are not consistent with NOAA as to programs they should be con- 

 ducting. 



Admiral Stephan. Well, I think, Mr. Drewry, that as to everything 

 you say, that it is more difficult to organize a national ocean program 

 than it is to organize a national defense or space program, because we 

 have a lot to learn and we are going to have to have some growing 

 pains in getting this thing organized, but in my judgment this all 

 argues for making a start in any way that we can toward this. 



Mr. Drewry. Dr. Kirkbride mentioned that he thought that NACO 

 should be rather light on the academic area, that the industry area is 

 doing vastly more and is vastly more cognizant of the real practical 

 problems of the oceans. Do you have any comment on that? 



Admiral Stephan. I don't think I know enough to speak in a quali- 

 tative sense but I think that there is a tremendous contribution which 

 the scientific community can make and how you would balance that 

 with the essential input from the States and the essential input from 

 the industry, I don't think I could be specific on. 



I think you probably would find that as it got going you would learn 

 something and maybe it would change a little bit as the thing worked, 

 but I am urging that we start and then perfect it as we go along rather 

 than wait until we know all these answers. 



Mr. Drewry. Should it be a rotating body? It probably should, 

 shouldn't it, with the membership changing from time to time rather 

 than to risk the rigidities that might come about by having a fixed 

 membership. 



Admiral Stephan". If the industry representatives would be picked 

 by the industries, they would have some problems in selecting them, 

 but, if they had a strong group that was generally doing a good job 

 for industry, then I think as long as they were doing a good job and 

 industry was satisfied that it was being well represented, I would sort 

 of leave that to industry and I would do the same thing for the States 

 and the academic community. 



In other words, what we want is know-how and strength and I don't 

 think it is too important whether you rotate them or not, but you ought 

 to leave it free for them to do a good job of representing the segment 

 that they purport to represent. 



Mr. Drew^ry. The real big objective is to find the focus, however it 

 is structured for marine oriented activities which presently are rather 

 widely fractionated in agencies and institutions and everything else. 

 I would like to just echo what I think the chairman was saying a few 

 moments ago, that as these hearings proceed I like to think that all of 

 the witnesses who appear before us will consider themselves part of 

 the total team to try to put together the kind of organization and the 

 program that we sense that we want, because any witness that we have 

 had and will have will all have a tremendous background and their 

 own views may change as our testimony comes in. 



Maybe a second look somewhere along the line will either change 

 your mind about something or will solidify some thinking that you 

 were sort of uncertain about in the first place. 



