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Mr. Drewry. And then it was decided subsequent to the creation of 

 the National Academy of Engineering that there should be the specific 

 Committee on Ocean Engineering to focus on that part of the total 

 picture ? 



Dr. Kavanagh. Yes, and most of the members, at least 50 or 60 per- 

 cent of the members of our committee and its panels are members of 

 the National Academy of Engineering. 



Mr. Drewry. This question has some background relevance to it 

 because of some earlier testimony we had that, even though the Na- 

 tional Academy of Engineering was set up to cover the whole range of 

 environmental engineering, that, nevertheless, there needed to be some 

 special focus on this particular aspect. 



Dr. Kavanagh. Yes. 



Mr. Drewry. I notice you have in panel No. 1 on Commerce and 

 Transportation, under the chairmanship of a very distinguished 

 naval architect, two other naval architects, and Dr. Weldon, who 

 has had much experience in the research and de^-elopment field now 

 at the Ford Motor Co., and formerly with the Matson Navigation Co. 

 We have been hearing in the last few days about the need for research 

 and development in the shipping field. 



Has the panel on Commerce and Transportation provided any in- 

 puts or been invited to deal with the engineering problems in relation 

 to shipping and shipbuilding ? 



Dr. IvAVANAGH. Yes, they have had discussions with agencies of the 

 Government in this area, their preliminary panel report has been pre- 

 pared and has been made available to the agencies recently. 



Mr. Drewry. How often do the various panels meet? 



Dr. Kavanagh. Our panels have met in lifetime perhaps each of 

 them at least 5 times to 10 times. They meet rather frequently and 

 also have met as groups with the governmental agencies. 



Mr. Drewry. What is your relationship with the National Academy 

 of Sciences' Committee on Oceanography ? 



Dr. Kavanagh. The National Academy of Sciences, our sister orga- 

 nization of the National Academy of Engineering has a committee of 

 long-standing, the National Academy of Sciences' Committee on 

 Oceanography. They represent basically the scientific interests of the 

 oceans. We represent the engineering interests of the oceans. 



I think hand in glove we work together on many, many of our proj- 

 ects, our interim projects of our committee, such as the decade program 

 which was a 50-50 management of this project with_ 50-percent partici- 

 pation from them and 50 percent from us, and I think this was a very 

 eft'ective example of how cooperation between science and engineering 

 should be done, should be achieved. 



jNIr. Drewry. And your headquarters are housed in the same 

 building ? 



Dr. Kavanagh. As a matter of fact, they are next to one another. 



Mr. Drewry. And Dr. Keim and Dick Vetter are good friends and 

 talk to each other ? 



Dr. Kavanagh. Oh, yes, they are very good friends. 



Mr. Drewry. At this point I have one other thing. 



