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Mr. Downing. Mr. Pelly. 



Mr. Pelly. Mr. Chairman, I don't have any questions. 



I would like to thank Dr. Fye for his contribution. We are going to 

 need a lot of support, I can tell you, before we ever get this thing- 

 through. 



I was just thinking, as to your answer to the question with regard to 

 transferring this responsibility to the Department of the Interior, that 

 we would have one department with us if we did that. As it is, I think 

 we are going to have them all against us. So we will have to overcome 

 a great deal of jealousy and prejudice and desire for empire building. 

 If we have support of eminent people like yourself, I think it will en- 

 courage us to go ahead, and I hope succeed, in overcoming some obvi- 

 ously very strong obstacles. 



Thank you. 



Mr. Downing. Mr. Hanna. 



Mr. Hanna. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Dr. Fye, I want to join with the gentlemen who have evaluated your 

 presentation here in such a favorable manner. 



I wanted to follow up on what Mr. Mosher had said. It has appeared 

 to me that there is conflict of mentality that we have to deal with in 

 this new program we are going to try to undertake. I think there has 

 characteristically been a mentality of protecting what is, expanding 

 what is going on, and evaluating on a basis of competition and incom- 

 patibilities, and as a result, we approach things on an adversary basis. 



As against that I think we would like to encourage a mentality of 

 realization of what can be and encouragement of discovery of what is 

 not and an evaluation on a basis of cooperation and interdependency 

 which can give us a little less of the adversary approach. How do you 

 react to that ? 



Dr. Fye. I react very favorably to that, Congressman Hanna. I know 

 that the problem of reorganization which the Commission report pre- 

 sents to you is the most difficult of all. It is going to take a lot of study 

 and, as you say, it will take a great deal of cooperative effort and posi- 

 tive thinking. 



In fact, I think it only comes into proper perspective if we think of 

 the really magnificent and gigantic offerings that we see from the 

 oceans. We must not be totally land oriented in this world of ours. It is 

 almost three-quarters water. So we have to tliink progressively as you 

 say. I am very confident that this will be done. I react very positively 

 to your comment. 



Mr. Hanna. Of course, in facing the reality as it now exists, I think 

 that the flow of money comes easier if you can show the protective in- 

 fluence. That is why the Navy is going to dominate and have dominated 

 because it is the essence of the protective mentality. We may be taking 

 the tougher course. 



It isn't going to be as easy to sell to the people as protection, but I 

 think that with the support we can get from people like yourself and 

 others who have as deep experience in this field as you have certainly 

 had, that maybe we can steer that more difficult course. 



But I personally believe that as we are going to set up a new type 

 of agency and orient it toward this second mentality, we had better 

 hesitate to pick up the knife until we are sure we can cut the mustard. 

 Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



