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would ibe administered by that agency but with mutual coupling with the Coastal 

 Zone and University-National Laboratory programs. While the recommendations 

 of the Commission are clear and follow well developed guidelines for the manage- 

 ment of the Coastal Zone, plans for programs in this area must also include 

 those of the University-National Laboratories and the Federal Laboratories. In 

 order to coordinate these efEorts, I suggest that the head of NOAA establish a 

 deputy position whose responsibility, together with his staff, would be the Plan- 

 ning and Coordination of NOAA OPrograms. 



The second area of coordination and program planning includes that of the 

 laboratories and operating elements of NOAA with other Government agencies 

 such as the Navy, Army, Maritime Administration, Interior, AEC, NASA, the 

 Smithsonian, etc., whose roles and missions include responsibilities for ocean 

 science and engineering. This I would suggest should be the responsibility of a 

 deputy and his stafE for Coordination of Interagency Programs. 



The third element of coordination involves the Federal, State and regional 

 programs in coordination with the efEorts of industry working in ocean areas 

 important to and in support of the national program. Without the proper cou- 

 pling with industry, as the technology of ocean operations develops, the knowledge 

 developed by the Federal and State groups will not properly be transferred to 

 industry, nor will industry be able to contribute its part in support of the de- 

 velopment of these programs. This is an area of great importance, and should 

 be the responsibility of a deputy and staff, for Coordination of Industrial Pro- 

 grams. 



Finally, all of the capabilities developed by Federal, State, regional, industrial 

 and academic developments will be important in our ability to cooperate with 

 other countries in mutually valuable efforts in internationally sponsoi-ed pro- 

 grams. Important in this area is a strong and closely associated planning effort 

 with that of the Department of State and with the Department of the Navy. I 

 suggest that this effort be the responsibility of a deputy for Planning and Co- 

 ordination of International Programs. 



Each of the above deputies for plans and program coordination, and their 

 staffs, should work closely with the National Advisory Committee for the Oceans 

 so that the interests of the Federal, State, regional, industrial and academic 

 communities can be welded together into a truly national program. It may be 

 desirable to establish a Council of Laboratory Directors to advise NOAA on 

 their recommendations, plans and programs, and who will assist in the coordina- 

 tion of the national ocean program, as well as participation by the United States 

 in internationally sponsored programs. In this regard the National Advisory 

 Committee for the Oceans assumes a most important role in advising, assisting 

 and guiding the head of NOAA in many areas of science, technology and engi- 

 neering, both in the U.S. programs and those in international cooperation. 

 Through NACO the interests of Federal, State, regional, industrial and academic 

 efforts will be combined into an integral program. 



Mr. Lennon. Thank you, sir. 



Mr. Pelly. 



Mr. Pelly. Mr. Chairman, I would like to mention the contribution 

 that Dr. Wakelin made in pulling together a lot of the agencies when 

 he was in the Navy Department. I don't think we would have arrived 

 at the point today of having before us this gigantic proposal had it not 

 been for the fact that you were able to pull everybody together, and 

 even after you left I think your influence lingered on, because there is 

 and has been ever since you were active in this Grovernment work a 

 recognition I think by the various agencies that they would work 

 together. 



I was interested in your statement that Congress should also reor- 

 ganize, and I wonder how much thought you have given that. It is a 

 very complex problem. 



Dr. Wakelin. Yes, sir. I am not an authority on the organization of 

 the legislative and appropriational branch, here, but I would hope 

 that the problems that we faced when I was Chairman of the ICO 



