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would not be repeated with the establishment of a central agency to 

 undertake the civil program for marine sciences, and I say this very 

 feelingly, Mr. Pelly. 



As I pointed out, there were 22 different offices or bureaus, including 

 those of the departments which were concerned with the work of the 

 ICO during my Chairmanship, and we did report to 30 different com- 

 mittees in the House and Senate. 



We found only one committee that would look at the whole program, 

 and this is your committee here. 



I want to say again, as I did in 1964, almost 5 years ago this month, 

 when I was about to leave the Navy, that I think one of the great in- 

 fluences on ICO as an integral structure was the interest of this par- 

 ticular committee in the work of the ICO. 



While I went before Mr. Mahon's committee on naval appropriations, 

 including the oceanographic work in support of anti-submarine war- 

 fare and also basic science, there was no other committee than this 

 that looked at the whole program, including Interior, Commerce, Na^^^, 

 and other agencies that contributed to the work of the ICO. 



I would hope that this committee would take the lead in the House 

 in the matter of jurisdiction with respect to this subject. I think the 

 interest of the members of this committee, their sincerity, and the hard 

 work that they have done in preparing themselves for the hearings in 

 which I was involved indicate that the}^ have a principal interest and 

 a principal responsibility. 



After all, the legislation for the Commission came out of Mr. Len- 

 non's and Mr. Kogers' bill, and you deserve the credit for that. 



We had certain ideas about the Commission's work, and I think it 

 has been an outstanding job. 



I would hope, however, that you could work out, Mr. Pelly, some 

 method in this committee to take further interest in the integral struc- 

 ture in the House for such a program. 



Mr. Pellt. We have had a reform bill before the House, which 

 passed the Senate and went up to the Rules Committee, and is still 

 there. 



When you consider the problems that arise in trying to transfer 

 jurisdiction from one committee to another, which is really from one 

 individual to another, it is very difficult. It is something that has been 

 worrying me. 



I know that as far as this committee is concerned, we hope that we 

 can carry forward with this, but we had a case not very long ago in- 

 volving a problem of oil pollution on the west coast, and two com- 

 mittees vied with each other in their attempts to report legislation to 

 carry out their ideas and establish their responsibility over population 

 problems. 



I can see that it is not going to be very easj*. I know that there are 

 men of great experience on some committees who feel that they don't 

 want to give up the experience and interest that they have developed 

 through the years. 



When you say that Congress should reorganize, I know you are 

 aware that those tilings do not come about so easily. It requires the 

 exercise of statesmanship and skill by the leadership in Congress, and 

 as much as anything else, the unselfish interest that comes from leaders 



