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Mr. Lennon. That answers my question raised by another member. 



Dr. Pkitchard. There are other marine institutions, many of which 

 do not operate oceangoing vessels. 



Mr. Lennox. That answers the question. 



Now the gentleman from Minnesota, 



Mr. Karth. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Dr. Pritchard, isn't it extremely diiRcult to calculate with any 

 reasonable degree of accuracy what a program in line with the Com- 

 mission's recommendations would cost, not really knowing what basic 

 and applied-research-and-development programs would be initiated? 



I don't mind the criticism that you aimed at the Commission's 

 report in terms of its elusiveness in its report. But I think it is diffi- 

 cult to pinpoint these things. 



Dr. Pritchaed. I would agree that it is extremely difficult to 

 forecast. 



Mr. Karth. And that perhaps is why it was difficult for Dr. Cal- 

 houn to be more specific. He says less than $5 billion and more than 

 $1 billion. That is quite a variation, too. 



Dr. Calhoun, how much money was appropriated to the National 

 Academy of Sciences last year insofar as it relates to marine-resources 

 activities ? 



Dr. Calhotjn. I was going to ask the secretary of the committee. 

 He says our budget for the committee was about $85,000 last year. 

 This money is not appropriated to the Academy, however. We haA^e 

 working agreements with a number of individual agencies which sup- 

 port our activity. 



Mr. Karth. Could you be more specific? What agencies are 

 involved ? 



Dr. Calhoun. The Bureau of Commercial Fisheries, the National 

 Science Foundation, the Coast Guard, the Atomic Energy Commis- 

 sion, ESSA, and Navy. 



Mr. Karth. That is all, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Lennon. Mr. Pelly. 



Mr. Pellt. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Dr. Calhoun, I recognize that as a member of the scientific com- 

 munity you are somewhat hesitant to comment in detail on the struc- 

 ture of a Government agency, but I think perhaps Dr. Paulik could 

 comment in this since I note that he has been a consultant to what I 

 call a unilateral arrangement for conservation; namely, the Inter- 

 American Tropical Tuna Commission. 



I am addressing myself more to the problem of fisheries because I 

 happen to be on the Fisheries Subcommittee and am concerned in one 

 particular respect with how the fishery problem is going to be solved 

 under any new agency. 



It seems to me that we are more and more getting into the realm of 

 international agreements so far as fisheries conservation and self-pro- 

 tection is concerned. We have arrangements on the Atlantic with the 

 Soviets. We have them with the Soviets on the Pacific. We have an 

 agreement with the Japanese; and we have certain international ar- 

 rangements for halibut with the Canadians, and so forth. 



So it appears that now, while we only produce 4 percent of the 

 world's supply of fish and consume some 12 percent, we are more and 

 more reaching out into the realm of international agreements and the 



