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how they decided to call balls or strikes, and one who was a little 

 younger had a modicum of humility left and a substantial amount of 

 moral rightousness, and he said, "I call them as I see them." The other 

 fellow who had been a little more experienced and therefore had far 

 less humility and a little more authoritarianism, said, "I call them as 

 they are." And the third fellow who was the senior of the umpires there 

 had already reached the place where the deistic mantle settled over 

 his shoulders said, "I figure they ain't nothing until I call them." 



Somewhere in the mix there is where this committee is going to 

 have to be in deciding what the structure is going to be. I don't know 

 that we are going to have any more humility than is generally ex- 

 pressed by persons who have had experience in their callings because 

 I noted in several of the statements of the gentlemen the general course 

 of those who have been acting long enough to have not been overtaken 

 by humility. I find that in the statement saying, "We look with long- 

 ing upon this new environment to conquer" and in the statement, 

 "There are a number of possibly equally valid ways of organizing the 

 effort toward attaining mastery * * * of the marine environment." 



Conquering and mastery, it seems to me, shows a rather lack of 

 humility which the western man has exhibited in an exorbitant ca- 

 pacity throughout our history. I should like to see that subordinated a 

 bit. Ithink we are at a place where humility might be brought to play 

 here, and I would prefer to see us looking at this thing as though we 

 were part of nature rather than an adversary to nature. 



I understand the background in which we have come to be a highly 

 competitive adversary type people, and I make this point, Mr. Chair- 

 man, because it establishes the kind of attitude we have as we set about 

 this job, and I think the time has come when western man has to re- 

 evaluate his attitude and I hope that our attitude would be a little 

 different than the assault and mastery we have made on land, over 

 our forest industry, for instance, and the conquests that we have made 

 in our rivers. 



Would you care to comment on that ? 



Dr. Calhoun. Yes, I think this simply shows the inadequacy of 

 words when one is trying to present the best possible face and the most 

 forceful argument. 



I do think it is a time to act and I guess I used the word conquest 

 like the colonialists and imperialists of old in the best sense of the 

 word. But, I might say I agree with your observations. This is one 

 reason why in my own thinking I would advocate, as I said, an Execu- 

 tive Department of Kesources and Environments. And, I put the two 

 words together for this very reason — that whatever we do must be 

 done recognizing that we, too, live on a spaceship and the spaceship 

 is rather limited. If we don't pay some attention to its characteristics, 

 we are likely to find that we, too, are lost in space. 



Mr. Hanna. Would you care to comment on that, Dr. Pritchard? 



Dr. Pritchard. Yes, since the one quote was as to mastery, I agree 

 that it would have been more appropriate to have stated something to 

 the effect that we should attain an ability to exist within the environ- 

 ment, within the natural environment. 



Mr. Hanna. Some kind of a harmonious 



Dr. Pritchard. Harmonius existence within the environment we live 

 in. To understand them takes knowledge and that was really my main 

 emphasis. 



