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forefront. We have had Interior. We have had a lot of the land de- 

 velopment. We ha\e had the Weather Bureau with emphasis on the 

 land, and so forth. We are tryino; nov^ to brin^ in the oceans. 



I understand your concept of saying all of this ought to be tied 

 together, and I am sure everyone would agree, but we are not quite at 

 that stage probably. I think we have to upgrade our handling of 

 oceanographic problems in the national budget, in national emphasis, 

 in national programs before we can ever talk about equalizing. 



Otherwise we start now and you still have downgraded oceans if 

 you are going to put it in an environmental department where the 

 oceans have never been upgraded. This is what we are trying to do, 

 and I think we have lost the thrust of the whole effort in developing 

 oceanography. 



Dr. Drake. That is a point. 



Mr. Rogers. I think it's a major point. 



Dr. Drake. If you look at the Commission report, you run into the 

 same thing. They started to study the oceans. They found they really 

 couldn't do this without including the atmosphere. 



Mr. Rogers. Of course, interaction of air and sea is a proper func- 

 tion to be in an oceanographic agency, and the Commission as a result 

 of that has recommended a separate agency. 



Dr. Drake. Atmosphere and sea. I look at this from the geological 

 point of view and see interaction with the solid earth as well. 



Mr, Rogers. Seventy percent of the earth is water, isn't it? Air and 

 water, TO percent. Where should interaction of air and sea be ? In an 

 oceanographic agency I would think. 



Mr. Lennon. Gentlemen, we do appreciate your presence here 

 today, and if Mr. Beckman would confer with us here, w^e will deter- 

 mine what we will do from now on. We will go off the record at this 

 time. 



Thank you gentlemen. I am sure we will be calling on you in the 

 future for counsel and advice. We are grateful for your attendance. 



(Discussion off the record.) 



Mr. Lennon". The schedule for tomorrow, which will begin of 

 course at 10 o'clock, is Mr. John H. Clotworthy, president of the 

 National Oceanographic Association, and Dr. Waiter Orr Roberts, 

 University Corp. for Atmospheric Research, and Congressman Bob 

 Wilson also desires to be heard tomorrow. 



Now the gentleman with whom we just discussed the matter of 

 rescheduling, if you will meet with counsel after the meeting is ad- 

 journed, that will be done to suit your convenience and will give you 

 an opportunity to enlarge the scope of your discussion to include 

 comments on what you may have heard here today, and I will request 

 that you be furnished with a copy of Captain Bauer's statement 

 before the committee. You may want to comment on that, too. 



Thank you. gentlemen. The meeting will stand adjourned until 

 tomorrow morning at 10 o'clock, to be chaired then by the gentleman 

 from Florida. 



(^Tiereupon, at 12:10 p.m., the subcommittee recessed, to recon- 

 vene at 10 a.m., Thursday, May 22, 1969.) 



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