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is really on the ocean, too, in Ohio. But actually this committee has a 

 tremendous constituency. The major cities are on the oceans, and we 

 must get the Congress itself excited about this prospect. If I can talk 

 a little partisan philosophy, this is truly an activity that llepublicans 

 ought to adopt because this is an activity that is clearly a Federal 

 responsibility. We cannot go back to the States or go back to the local 

 communities and have them do this. This is our responsibility as a 

 Federal Government, and we are just not living up to it. I think as 

 Republicans we are more to blame perhaps than anyone else that we 

 are not doing so. 



Mr. Hathaway. What I meant was that, although a lot of people 

 should be interested in our affairs, so many of them are not. I think 

 that if you sent out a questionnaire that had jNIerchant Marine and 

 Fisheries activities on it, it would probably come in last in concern. 

 Probably student unrest would be first. It is difficult at times to get 

 people really alarmed about, say, the shortage of food that we may 

 run into in the not too distant future, and for that reason we ought 

 to have more of an effort placed on oceanography. 



Mr. Wilson. Maybe we ought to have some fish fries or some Maine 

 lobster bakes or some tuna salads in the restaurant to stir things up, 

 Mr. Chairman. I think we probably need more showmanship than we 

 are exerting. 

 Mr. Hathaway, Congressman Karth ? 

 Mr. Karth. I have no questions, Mr. Chairman. 

 I merely want to compliment our colleague for having the fore- 

 sight some 5 years ago to recommend in part at least at that time what 

 the Commission, after great study, has recommended in the field of 

 oceanography and marine sciences. I want to congratulate our 

 colleague. 



Mr. Wilson. Thank you very much. 

 Mr. Hathaway. Congressman Mosher ? 



Mr. Moshek. Mr. Chairman, I suggest that we on this committee are 

 very fortunate that we have Bob Wilson in our constituency. It is good 

 fortune for everyone interested in this problem that a Congressman 

 in the leadership so close to the throne, so to speak, and one who is so 

 respected and has such talents is giving vigorous attention to this 

 problem. 



I am delighted that he has been before this committee a couple of 

 times before and is here today and I hope he will come again. 



I share his feeling that we have to place a lot of hope in action from 

 the White House in terms of an executive order through the reorganiza- 

 tion process to bring about NCAA or some agency of that sort, as 

 recommended by the Commission. 



I think we must continue to emphasize that hope and that expecta- 

 tion, and I know that Bob is aware that several of us are in the process 

 of arranging a meeting with the Vice President on this very subject 

 at some mutually convenient time in the near future. 



I am a little concerned, Bob, by the phrase in your written state- 

 ment here where you say, "I am still of the opinion that the only way 

 we can get a NOAA into being is for the President himself to push for 

 it through a reorganization plan.'- 



I am reluctant to say that we can rely only on the White House. That 

 would discourage action here in this committee, and I think it is im- 



