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Mr. Kartji. Mr. Cliairinan. I am not rea]]y sure, Mr. Chairman, that 

 I understand what the gentleman has proposed. This is the arduous 

 exercise I am going through at the moment. 



For example, on page o, Mr. Beckmann, you say : "We are. not after 

 developing the hardware, we — industry — seek the exploitation of the 

 oceans." 



I am not sure that you are speaking for all of the industry because 

 I do think that, no matter what we do in this area, if we do anything 

 meaningful at all, there obviously must be developed some system of 

 ocean buoys, some research housing, perhaps at the bottom of the sea, 

 and oceanographic research vessels. There is going to be any amount of 

 hardware to be developed. 



I am not sure that with the cost of that kind of hardware being what 

 it is and having experience in another research and technological com- 

 mittee, that private industry is going to undertake that as a private 

 industry investment. I am not sure that they could afford it. 



You say, "Put this money into joint academic, industrial, and Gov- 

 ernment programs where the unique capabilities of each group are 

 utilized to the maximum." 



I think we all agree with that, except, that we don't spell out how 

 it will be done or what you really mean. There is a big question mark 

 there. 



Mr. Chairman, I hope that we could have some further explanation 

 or at least more time to study it. 



Mr. Lennon. I am going to take the liberty, because I recall it so 

 well, of finishing my comment to the witness on that date in June 

 of 1961.^ 



I continue : 



I want to commend the gentleman, Mr. Chairman. I think he has brought us 

 a very important policy statement, here, as to how we should proceed, and I just 

 regret that all the members of the committee are not here to hear what he has 

 said. 



I for one hope very much that the counsel of this subcommittee and our tech- 

 nical adviser, here — 



The distinguished Capt. Paul Bauer — 



will confer at length with Professor Lewis, in the hope that this bill, as a mini- 

 mum, can be amended to meet the criteria that you have established here. If we 

 do not, I think we have just wasted time, last year and again this year. 



I do not think that anything could be clearer to all of us than that if we do not 

 at least go as far as you have recommended in the passage of this bill, we have 

 just simply wasted the taxpayers' money in our efforts to arrive at a conclusion 

 as to what should be done in this important field. 



Then Mr, Miller came in with a very fine statement. Incidentally he 

 complimented me, and I said : 



I wish you would go further. I wish you would submit to the agencies involved, 

 who are enumerated in the bill as possible members of this Council, the professor's 

 statement, and tell them that in the judgment of the committee this ought to be 

 required reading on their part. 



Mr. Miller commented on the fact that most of them were sitting 

 here that day. 



Anyhow, the history of that was that we finally passed a modified 

 version, it went over to the Senate and it finally passed over there, and 

 it got a veto, and here we are 8 years later, and I agree with you, 

 sir, that if we had gone on and established that, we wouldn't be here 

 today, if the President had not vetoed that bill. 



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