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But we linvo iiioro evidpnco ulxnit tli'.a inshore (ishory, f«»r I am now trviiiu; to 

 call yciiir iiltciition to tliosn matters that li« Diitsido the rang'e orcontroverHV, where 

 yon oaiiiKit say that thr witnesses, under the pressure of'exeited feeiini;, are making 

 cxtrava^;ant statements. Let lis see what the statement was in the (lehates upon 

 the adiiplion of the Treaty. Dr. Topper, of Halifax, in i;ivin^ an neeount of the 

 .■ttate of (he lisiu;rieH, says: "The Memher for West Durham stated that if Canada 

 had eoiiliniied the poliey of e\elusion, the Ameriean rishcries woid«I very soon have 

 utterly failed, und ihty would have l)een at our merey. Tliis was a j^reat mistake. 

 Last summer he went down in a steamer from Daliiousic to Pietou, and fell in with 

 .1 lleet of thirty Ameriean lisliinfj-vessi'ls, whieh had averajjcd .'K)() barrels of 

 maekercl in three weeks, .ind had never heen >•. itliin ten miles of the shore." 1 am 

 inelined to eonecde, for the pin poses of the argument, that of the maekerel cau$;ht 

 l>y boats oil the lieiid of I'rinee Kdward Island, about one-third are taken within 

 three miles of the shore. 1 believe it to be a very liberal estimate, and I have no 

 i lea lliat any siicli proportion was ever taken by a single United States' vessel- 

 lishin<;' in that vicinity. I have already alluded to the faet that the boat-lishing ami 

 the vessel- lisliiug are whollv diirerent things, and to the necessity of a vessel i)cing 

 able to raise a great boily of mackerel. Do you ren>end)er the testimony of Captain 

 llulbert, pilot of t!ie " Spec! well," certaiiily one of the most intelligent and candid 

 witnesses that liasappared h re .' lie slated tliai you could not catch the mackerel 

 in any ipiaiitities on board \<'ssels oil' the beiiil of tiie island, because the water was 

 not deep enough within tiiree miles, 'i'ake the chart used liy Professor llind in 

 eoiincetion uiih his testimony, and see within three miles of the shore how deep the 

 watt-r is. Ten to lii'teen fathoms is the depth as far out as three miles. Vou will 

 iiardly lind twenty fathoms of water .inywhere within tlie three-mile zone. Captain 

 llulbert gave, with great truth, the re;ison for his opinion, that there was not 

 depth of water enoiigli there to raise a body of mackerel necessary for prolitablo 

 vessel lishing. .My brother Davies telt the force of that, and cross-examined him 

 aliout tiie Magilalen Islands. I have beni looking at the chart of tiic .Magdalen 

 Islands, and 1 have also considered the testimony as to the fishing in that vicinity. 

 A great deal of the tishing at the .M.igdaicn Islands is done more than three miles 

 from the shore. The place where the lust, mackerel arc taken, Hi.-d Uock'i, will be 

 lound to have twenty fatliDiiis of water williin the three-mile limit .\iid wlien you 

 come to tliat locality where I honestly i)elieve a larger proportion of mackerel are 

 caught within three miles than any\vhei(! else, that is oil' Margaree in the autumn, 

 you Will find by tiie chart that the water there is deep, and that twenty fathoms is 

 marked for tpiite a ilistaiice in a great many localities within three miles of the 

 land. I have always understood the liyroii Islands and the llird Hocks to be a |)art 

 of tlu! Magdalen Islands, and they ha\e always lieeii so testilieil to by the witnesses. 

 When they have spoken of the .Magdalen Islands, they have included hshing in 

 those two localities as within the Magdalen Islands fisheries. In speaking of 

 loc.dities they name the Bird Rock, but they speak of it as part of the .Magdalen 

 Islands. That particular (piestion of geography may deserve ntore attention here- 

 after. I cannot now pause to consider it. 



Bight here, let me read from an early report on this subject of tishing inshore. 

 Captain Fair, of Her Majesty's ship " Champion," in I8:3i). says that lie passed 

 tiirough a ileet of <>00 or 700 .Vmeriean vessels in various positions, some witiiin 

 the headlands of the bays, and some along the shores, but mine witiun the tiiree- 

 mile interdiction. While erui/.iiig in the vicinity of I'rinee lOilward Island he states 

 that there was not "a single case wliich called for our interference, or where it was 

 necessary to recommend caution ; on the contrary, the .Vmericans say that a 

 privilege has been granted them, ami that they will not abuse it." — ^Sabine's 

 "Report on the fisheries," page 410.) 



There is something peculiar about this Prince Kdward Island iishery, and its 

 relative proportion to the Nova Scotia fishery. As I said before, I am inclined to 

 believe that the greatest proportion of mackerel caught anywhere inshore is caught 

 ort" iMrtigoree lale in the autumn. The United States' vessels, on their homeward 

 voyage, make harbour at Port Hood, and lie there one or two weeks; while thera 

 the\ tlo lish within three miles of .Margaree Island, not between .Margaree Island 

 and the mainland, but within thive miles ol the island shores, and just there is 

 found water deep enough for vessel-tishing. Look at tiie chart, which fully explains 

 to my mind the inshore lishing at this point. .Margaree is a part of Nova Scotia, 

 and I'lolessor Hind says there is an immense boat-catch all along the outer ciia«t 

 of Nova Scotia, and estimates that of the Duininion maekerel catch, (Quebec 



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