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pvnsernlfd. is tlwit fact not to lie tnUen info nccounl r UiidpilyiiiE; llu' wliolc ar;;umcnU 

 nl' Mr. FosiiT, .Mr. Dunn, and iMr. Trcscot, is tlic t'Xtranrfli.inry lliilacy tliat tliiu i-* n siiiipli" 

 uui'stitin for yon to di'torininc an Ix'twcpii Tircat Hritaiii and tlic lislicinn'n nf (ihiiccstor, 

 Tlu'V a|i|iar( iiliy tliink that it tiii'y can siiow that nndcr Ihc .^luhisiinn hi lore the Treaty, llr.ir 

 lishi'inu'M cunld niakt; inoru money tiian since tlu- Treaty wi'iit into (i|ieiation tint i-* an 

 end ol' the I'liitish Case. Tiiat is not ^.). Tlic Treaty v.as net made lietween (!reat 

 llritain and tlio fislienncn of CJouceHfor ; it was not made in respect to llu- (llmuiHtrr 

 (ishermen, l)nt in respect to tiie whole l)0(iy of tlie |ieople of tiie I'nilcd Siiiie-. it is 

 not u (picstion wiictiier tlie iishcrnicn <,'{t more or less money. In fact, liowevcr, liow is 

 the wliole tri'de of (iioncester and otlier .Anjerican li-hin;,' jiorts Ivcpt i\\)? is it not 

 hy the llshinu; li'isincss ? The people of (ilonce^ter do not, liowevcr, live merely on fi>h. 

 Tiiey have to hny meat, pork. Hour, &c., wliieli arc raised elsewhere than in Giloueester, I 

 apprelu ml. They come from the far West ; tlie (llonecster people are consnmcrs of the 

 produce ol the far West, liow are they uhle to pay for that pvodnce ' Kroni the 

 fisheries; and so the far West is interested as nmeli as tlie seahoard itsilf. So a;j;aiii tako 

 the eoiisnmers of the United States, If a nun li huger (piiintity ot lish ynwa into the 

 country under the Treaty than otherwisi- woidd.the price lidls and the consumers a:et tlio 

 tisli for far l(ss money, fs that not a hi'tielit 'r I earc not whether it is an injury to 

 (iloiieester lisherinen or not ; I care nothing ahont them, as a class, although it can and 

 will he slio'.v!! that the lishermen of (Jlouecster, as such, have not lost I rlolhir hy this 

 'I'reaty, hut ha\e made money. Now, let us jiass on and see what is the next proposition. 

 Mr. Treseot says : — 



"Tlitit so fiir iH I'.ritisli salijccts piuticiimle in the in- .Ihmi' li-^lii'iv in rnitoil States vessels aiion 

 uliaie,'!, Ili"ir lislii IV is iii ii<i .seiisi! IIk^ lisliinir nr lislnriHci! nl' inhuMlMtUH of tlie Ciiitcil StiUcH." 





1 have dealt with this suhject before. It requires a nan possessing: irreat (lexihility 

 of ar;;ini ent ;;!ul i;reat lioldness of utterance, to ciuneiale such a jiroposition in this or 

 any ollur Coin t We have heard it for the tirst tunc, an.d wc will never hear i!^ a;i.aiii 

 afltr tills Coiiiini^sion closes. What difference does it make in valuinir the i)ri\ilei;i' 

 i4;iven under the Treaty whether the vessels sent out hy the City ol Gloucester, the 

 town-, of Willlliet or Marhleliead, or other towns on tho New linj;;Iand; coast. '.are manned 

 by liritish suhjeds (<r foreiuMiers. We l;;ive it in evidence tliiit some of the lishermen are 

 I'oituuue-e, i-oii,e S|>aniards — l'ortup;ncse ccitainly — and I am not sure but that some 

 were Dane ■, and men heloiiL'in^' to the more noil hern nations. Why not have prepared 

 a schedule, showinu; how many of those who fished in American vessels, and made nionev 

 in llicm, were I'ortuinuese or Spaniards, and asked us to make deduction because they 

 were not American citizens, 'I'he whole money and profits of tlie voyages, exeeptin-^ the 

 men's shares, went into the jiocket of the mereliants? Never was such an arjiunieiit 

 heard as that tlie I'nited States should not jiay 1 dollar, because tisli miiiht have 

 been cauaht by I'ortni^ucse. Spaniards, or I'ri'nchmen on hoard of United State.-' vessels. 

 The United States must be reduced to very great straits in snpportinu; its failin|Li,' case, 

 before they would n.se such an argument. I could not help thinking-, after the evidence 

 };ot fairly launehed, that the American counsel were much abroad as to what their own 

 case really was. 1 do not lor one instant cliarce upon Mr. Foster, that in jneiiaring his 

 ease he put in a single statement that he did not believe to be absolutely true ; he 

 necessarily had to receive the information from somebody else. Yet you see throuuliout 

 the Unili'd States' " Answer " statements that are. and must be admitted to be, whollv 

 without foundation. 



Look at this statement as 'int forward in the United States' .Answer, whieii will 

 remain on record as a statement of the views of the (iovcrnment and of the Ihets which 

 the Govcrnnu'ut of the United States pledged itself to prove : — 



"The fiiiiiMl Stntes' iushiirc lislioiies lor lUiU'kcn'l, in <|ualily, i|uaiiiity, and value, lue aiisui-pnsseJ 

 by any in tlie worlil." 



So far from this being the fact, we had from the lips of witness after witness, called 

 on behalf of the United States, that their in-shore tisheries have entirely failed, tliat last 

 vear there was, as far as mackerel was concerned, an exceptionally good catch upon their 

 own coast, but that the body of that catch was not taken within United States' territorial 

 waters at all. hut extended over areas of the sea from ten to lilty miles distant from the 

 shores. Yet this extraordinary statement is put upon record. I say again I do not assmiK' 

 for an instant th;'.t Mr. Foster wrote this on behalf of the United States, not believing it 

 to be true. I helieve that some parties or other, 1 do not know who, have given iiim 



