r 





400 





Now, surely this answer is not an assent to tlic |)r«)i)Osition that iiallbut are merely 

 caught occasionally, as "«.< a hoy would ciilch a cod of the rocks." It is an answer to the 

 last branch of the (juestion, namely, that the halibut are caught in the sea. The witness 

 says, " Yes, they are caught in deep water." Now, surely it w;is not fair on the strength 

 of this answer to quote Patillo as saying that occasionally halibut might be caught " as a 

 boy would catch a cod off the rocks." 



Mr. Fontcr. — Now, wait a moment. I had previously asked, "To what banks do the 

 fishermen whom you sup])ly with bait resort?" and the witness had answered, "They 

 chiefly go to the Western Banks and to Banquereau, and to our own offshore banks. The 

 halibut is a deep-water hsh, and it is taken in 90 fathoms of water and upwards." Then 

 I said, "You don't know of any inshore halilmt-lishing done by the Americans which 

 amounts to anything?" In answer to which tiie witness said, "Not inside 90 fathoms of 

 water." Then I asked, "Do you understand that the halibut-fishing is substantially 

 everywhere a deep-sea fishery?" to which he answered " Yes." Then I put this question : 

 "Occasionally a imiibut may be eaugiit inshore as a boy may catch a codiish off the 

 rocks, but. pursued as a business, iialibut are caught in tlic sea?" And the witness 

 answered " Yes.' 



Mr. Tlioniaon. — No; tlie witness, honestly enougli, says that the halibut-fishery is 

 usually a deep-sea fishery ; but the words (iescribing it as merely an occasional thing to 

 cateii one inshore are Mr. Foster's ; and the witness does not assent to these words, but to 

 the statement that halibut are caught in the sea, to which he replies " Yes, they arc caught 

 in deep water." 



I only refer to tiiis as an illustration of tlie dangerous power possessed by my learned 

 friend in the twisting of evidence. " So much," he says in his speech, " for the inshore 

 halibut-fishery ; and that brings me to tlu- inshore cod-fisi>ery, as to which I am reminded 

 of a chapter in an old history of Ireland that was entitled ' On Snakes in Ireland,' and the 

 whole chapter was, ' There are no snakes in Ireland.' " 



Now, that is a very amusing way of treating the cod-fishery, but, unfortunately, it is 

 not justified by the facts. If there is no more truth in the statement that there are no 

 snakes in Ireland than there is in the statement that there is no inshore cod-fishery, I am 

 very much afraid that island is overrun with vipers. Now I will show you distinctly that 

 we have the most conclusive testimony on the subject of the inshore cod-fisheries, and it 

 is a very singular thing that my learned friend should have dismissed the subject so 

 summarily as he did. I refer to the evidence of the British witness named Nicliolson, 

 page 'J07. Let us see what he says. By the same token, this is the very man that speaks 

 of the halibut also. In the cross-examination by Mr. Dana, on page '207, the following 

 passage occurs : — 



"<,i. Well, cud niu oluii ciiuglit inshoiv, Ijut would not Vuii sny coii was a duqi-seii ti^ihcry ! — 

 A. Yes. 



"(}. Ami iialiiiiil i- llic saiiie '. — A. le.-. 



"i}. I Im1u-vc cHif wiiiic-is. ;; Jlr. Vilii'it, 111' IVrcc, ill ilic cnuiity of (''a«]ic' said that the liatilmt 

 vci'f altiii,'clliii- cail;.'lit « iliiiii liie tliriT-iiide liiiiil, witliciut any ('.\((']ilinii. lie says, ' llial is I lielieve 

 wliat 1 la'\e UMdeistniiil IViiiii cMir lislirniieli ; they have Icjld liii' that li.ililail rmilil iml lie eaii.i;ht iir deep 

 water.' Heads imiii |iaL;e lln nl' the evidence;. Slwiild mil ymi say that w.v- .\ mistaken .alemenl !— 

 A. Yes. The Cilimcostei- liilk- ^'n evciy uilltel. Intact lliey i^u the wlielr year rtmnd III e.itrli them. 

 In the siiinnui' tliev ;.'el halil.ui in ■-hallnw water, bnt in llio winter tliev li.ive to lisii in liiii I'atiioin.-^ 



of wnlnr. 



cjiUf,'hl 

 A. Oh 



' (,>. Su ihey are ii ijeeji-water tish as a tish, hut vnu ciin catch them insliore .' — A. They may bt" 



K inshnre. 



' (,•. I'll the .Vmeiicans thenisr'lves iinr.sue ihu halilaii-lishinu iwii'iii ,i.s a dceii-sea li.shory — 



Tl 



take till 111 anywhere where ll 



lev can i.'i 



■{ tl 



lem. 



' I,', llii viiM think thai nn tii.s enasl the .\nicricans tish lor 1 

 '(.). The'v lake the 



laliiiiit 



A. Yi 



hi 



ilii'y lilid them, h\it dn they undertake a.s a hnsiiiess the lishin;,' Idr 

 haliliut inshnre .'—A. Certainly, the Treaty allows it. they will lake tliuia in our liarlxiurs if 

 they can." 



Now, if you look at page JKJ, ihc evidence of Mr. RuggUs, you will find some 

 evidence upon this point: — 



■I,' Wiiat kind 111' lish are eaiij;lit here? — .\. L'odli.sli, hmldoek, haki , iinllnck, lialilmt, lierrini.', 



and .siiliic liiai kerel wiien they sllike iiiir sin 



"(^». Is it an inshnre lishi ry ; -A. With the hoye iirn] oriinn nl' the inhahitaiit.s il i.-* an 

 tishcrv ill --mall Imais. 



inalui 



'<,>. I til villi kmiw wlieii; ('a|e Split is'- A. ^'l■s. 



'(,>. \()W, dues this lishery extend \i|i the iinrlh I east 111' ihe ishilid .iinl nil' Ilij,diy N'ci k as I'lir a.i 



.^plil 



A. Y. 



It 



CrieSi 



ilil. 



H iinile an cNteli-iVc lisheiy up In llie 



if II; 



id tlial 



I'll 



nil tl 



11 



<,i. I'miii ('a| e Sjilit il i .\tciiils all the wny lu yniir ishiiid. Aruiiml tlic shore.') of the hay, arc 



ic;c 



lis! 



there ?— .\. Ve» 



