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not only their mackerel-fishing in the bay would go down, but their cod-fishery would go 

 down also. According to the evidence, it your Honours will examine it, we hold the 

 keys in our hands which lock and unlock the whole North American fisheries, I mean 

 the North American fisheries for cod, halibut, mackerel, and herring, in fact for all those 

 fish which are ordinarily used for food. 



Mr. Foster. — Do you say mackerel ? 



M> . Thomnon, — Yes, in regard to mackerel, T will show that we hold the keys. It is 

 probably forestalling my argument a little ; but Mr. Foster, in the course of his speech, 

 asserts that because the larger proportion of mackerel, as he says, comes from the American 

 coast, our mackerel does not have any effect on the market. 



Mr. Foster. — I thought you were speaking about bait and the bait question. 



Mr. Thomson. — So I was. Even for mackerel, it is not nmch of pogie bait they use, 

 and at all events they use other bait as well ; but pogie is not necessarily an American 

 bait, it is a deep-sea fish, as has been shown by different witnesses. 



Now, in regard to the (juantity of bait, I refer you to the evidence. 



John F. Campion, of Souris, Prince Edward Island, pages 36, 37, and 45, says : — 



" Tticro luo larfro numbers of Amoriran trawlers off Cape North. They catch their bait around 

 the coasts of NuwI'oiiniliaiKJ, sometime? at St. I'eler'.s Island, and at Tignish Bay. I have seen them 

 catch herring for bail tliis ."pring. Three nv four were setting nets right in our harbour," 



John James Fox, Mngdalcn Islands, at page 1 14, says : — 



" Amerirnns catch bait largely in our neighbourhood; the chief place for catcliing it is at Grand 

 Entry Harbour ; they set their nets on shore ; they want this bait for cod-fisliing." 



Angus Grant, Port Hawkesbury, Cape Breton, at pages 184, 185, says :— 



"Americans both iiiin'ha.=in and tisii for .squid; they catch .squid liy jigging ; large quantities are 

 taken at Hawkesbury. They buy and catch bait at Crow Harbour and those places." 



James Purcell, Port Mulgravc, at page 107, says : — 



" United Stales' vessels get their bait in our harbour ; they sometimes buy it, and sometimes catch 

 it. I have sei'ii them calcliiug it. I have seen eighteen vessels taking squid as fa.st as they could haul 

 them in, at Hawkesbury " 



John Nicholson, Louisburg, Cape Breton, at page 205, says: — 



"Americans both fi.sh for their bait and buy ii. I have seen them fishing for squid close to 

 the shore." 



John Maguirc, Steep Creek, Nova Scotia, at page 213, says: — 

 " American cod-li.shing vessels sometimes catch squid for bait." 



James Bigelow, Wolfville, Nova Scotia, at page 222, says : — 

 " Americans frequently catch bait on our shores." 



John Stapleton, Port Hawkesbury, Cape Breton, at pages 228, 229, says : — 



" I have seen numbers of ./Vmericans catching squid in Port Hawkesbury ; this year I suppose 

 fifteen or twenty sail ; last year about twenty-five or thirty. They cannot carry on the Bank fishery 

 without procuring fresh bait" 



Hon. Thomas Savage, Cape Cove, Gaspe, at page 264, says : — 



" 1 linvc seen Americans come in and catch bait themselves, or rather set their nets to do ao ; 

 among our fishermen they seine for it ; they would do very little at cod-fishing without the privilege of 

 getting fresh bait." 



James Baker, Cape Cove, Gaspe, at page 270, says : — 



" Americans fishing at Miscou Bank come in to different places along our coast for fresh bait ; they 

 princijiidly catch it themselves, taking squid, mackerel, and capliii ; they took it close inshore." 



James Jessop, Newport, Gaspe, at pa<jc 277, says :— 



" American cod-lishers nin up to Shippegan and Caraquette and fish for herring for bait, with nets ; 

 they al.'^ii lake mackerel and squid ; they could not carry '.m tlie liiheiy prolitaljly without coming in to 

 get fresh bait." 



William Flynn, Perce, Gaspe, at page 278, says :— 



"There iiiv aniiuidly about 400 cod-fishers in the bay; they get a great deal of their bail inshore 

 along our wei»\. by .-^ctiing nets for it, and sometimes by buying it. 1 have seen them seiniii" lieiriiiL' 



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