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Mr, Fotter.— Go back to what you were upon. 

 Mr. Thomson. — It is as follows : — 



"Q. Yon <\o not, I siipposc, include in this stiUcment anj* 1ml vessels— it has iiothinR In do with 

 lmnt-fi.nhiTi(» ? — A. No. 



"C^. Will yoii Mati- t'lum wlml soinvc von hiivi; iiiiultMip tin m' statistics? — A. The iiifommtion 

 conceniinj; thi^ vcssi-ls wliidi tislicii in ilic ;.'iilf. ;iiiil tliosf whiili tishcil oil' our slion*, F olitniiicil ami 

 tnbuliitt>il for the inforiimtinii <<l' ril.iiid'.iicr. when 1 w;w Town (Ici-k, in lSil'.». and tin' ri'()ort for 1><1T> 

 was |iro('uriMl f.ir I'cnti'nnial ]iur|">->i"< -not liv inVf<i'lf, Iml In sonir oui' wlin did liis work well. 



'■ t,' ("ail you siiv. lis II iiiatt-r of licjiff. that tli'Si' >ialisii(S wrVf iiiadf ii[) for ceiiti'iiuiiil |iur|)03es, 

 and not with rcfiri'iici' to this tiiimn ! - -A. N is. I ln'licvo tlmi is the cast'. 



"i). Fiuni what souncH wdp' tiiosu for 1S75, for in.st4inti.', tiiUfii ' — A. 'I'liu eatidi was Uikcn from 

 thu reports of tin' miniln'r of linns 1 lui'ti'iuin'd, 



" To liow many hiiii.s do vimi ii'f<T ' - A. Those indudi' the liiosi sm rrs»fil! linns, (;cor;,'(! Steele, Ac. 



" Ci'. Those !ire linns that had .1m ( n llie most successful, whether on our shore or in llic (lulf of 



.St. Lawrence, which aii' to K' considcicil ihi' most sii ssful lirnis in (ihnu ester t — A. (.leor^^c Steele, 



Leiu'litmi and ('Hiii|.aiiy. i>cniiis and .Vvcr. Smith and (lott. 



" t,V Tlicsc are 'jciier.illy considered i,. lii> ihc most sui'lcs^IhI ilrinsV — A. Vcs. 



" (,'. Were they all included in this reliirii '. — .V. \ fs. 



"<,). The ioMnnt,'e of the vessels was soniowlittt liir<?er in 1875 than it w.is in 1869 >. — A. I think 

 not. 1 think it was about the same." 



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What does that amount to? That he made up the statement for Ififii) for the 

 Centennial, and the other for some other iturpose ; hut he l)rings them both here for tlio 

 |)urpose, as I eharge upon him, of deceiviiii; this Comtnission, 



Mr. Tri'scot. — lie tells you what they are, 



Mr. Thomson. — I say aifain, that when ti wititess puts in evidence statements such 

 as these, because there was no object in showinij wliat the catches wete in lft(!9 and \H75, 

 unless it was intendi'd as a fair spceimen of llu- averaj;c years, and has tiie information 

 in his own breast !)y wliicli directly opposite results would he shown ; o witness who 

 comes liere and makes such a statement does so deliberately to deceive the Commission. 



Your Ifonouis will rccolleet that nothiuir but the trip books were produced : though 

 we jjfave notice to produce the other books they did not do so. Look at pajifc .■<85 and 

 and see what Majoi' Low says on this subject, aiul then say whether he is a {;entleman 

 whose testimony can be depended on. At pafce 3H.5, towards tho bottom, there is the 

 followinar : — 



•■(,'. In the ln>i place, is (icor._'c .-^icide a charterer of vessels f — A. No. 



" •,•. Then lliis .-talcmeiit, wliidi u.ssumes tn relate 'u (ioor;,'e Steele's Imsine.ss, as his name is 

 liieii'ioned as the elnirterer of tin' vessel, iloes not rcpnsent an exisliii;.' .■■tate of facts, hut is niiTcly a 

 theory which you jmt forth ' — A. I suiiposcil 1 had mciitioncil on the account that it was an estiuiale." 



Al paiie .'.ifJs ;iiid HGi) of Major Lowe's evideiiee, a statement is handed in entitled : 

 " Niunl)i;rof vessels iiiy;a::ci! duriiii," seventeen years, from I^'jS tu 1870 inclusive, in the 

 Gulf ol St. LiwiviU'.' .Mackerel fishery, execptiiitj the years l>s7ti and lN7l, when none 

 were stnt, by George Steele, id tjiouee.stcr — aiT : average time employed ye.iily for 

 seventeen years — l.";." [u regard tu that, I desire to call attention to tlie evidence <m 

 pafj;e .'isj, yoiu' I Ii)ii>>ur heariiii; in mind the laet that Mr. Daiui put tu Major Low the 

 i|uestion that lie iiad ixaiiiincd the hooks lor the i)urpose ol i;iviiig a statement which 

 coidd not lie — no jiiiess Wiuk but absolute verity, so far ius the hooks were concerned. 

 Mr, Davis, on cros-s-iixuinination elicited the followiiij^: — 



" <,i Tlie owner would sulli.'i no loss thouoh the charterer W(jiilJ. It .seems singulai, does il not? 

 You say thi.« is where a man charters a vr-ssei ? — A. Yes. 

 , "I,'. In the liivt I 'lace, is (leop^'c Steele a charterer of vessels ' — A. No 



■ <,'. Then ihi.s ,.>lalemenl, wlucli n-ssumes to relate I o (ieor;.'e ."<ieeles l>ii.-.ine!is, us hi.s name is 

 ruelllioned a.s the clmli.rer of the vcs.sel. does not reinc-. Ml an e.\islin>; Male 111 fails, hut is merely II 



theory which yon put lorth < — .V. 1 suppo.scd I had mentioned on the account thai ii was an estimate. 



" (.1 That is the real fact, is i I not '—A \'cs. Tin 'eal fad is thai I n)adc a mere estimate in 

 this regard." 



Now. that is a mu.^t extraordinary statement. 



Mr. hh.*lei-,— In what n'j;ard .' 



Mr. Tiiiiiiisnu. — In le^'ard tDtliis, that Mr. Dani put forward .Major Low, as a man 

 wiio Imil cxiiiiiiiiid llic liooks ol (iloiiee.-tiT mcieiiaiits for the purpose of getting an 

 ahsolutiiy concci sialemeni, ami no i;ues' work: y 

 delilu'raU- piece of i;ue.ss work. 



Mr. i'lAsu'r, — lie made a siiiteiiunt from the hooks, and then matle a supposititious 

 h\potliriical Ciise of one voyage, tij .how what the result would have been. 



.\7, , 77(0/1/40/1.- At p.i^e .ISli, your llonouis, still hearing in mind that this was to be 



we find him coming forward with u 



