419 



Mr. TAom/)»on.— Well, even so ; the mackerel hnvc not changed their habits. 

 Mr. Foster. — I thought that they had. 



Mr. Thom.<inn 



Mr. McLeod says : — 



"PuiiiiK tlic sciwoii of 18r.2. tliPH' wni! IVoiii 4110 to 47" Americftn vossels in the Giilf— 

 nmckciolfiM. In lnr.4, tVdin 'Ml Id :iiM) Anu'iican v.'sscl.i m-\v liwliiii-? in tlie Hiiy .if Plmk-urs. In 

 l«">ri, from lido to ;i(iO in llml i|imrt.M'; iirolmMy iloo in tin' (iiiif. Tlicy told mo that tlicre wcro about 

 i;ooin.Mi.l.' nf Ciiiso, III 1S:,(;. al„Mil lli.- usuar niiiiilKr. In IH,",? ilicsiinu', and iipto 1H(12, alpout tliu 

 .same Ihiii^': also in ISCt. iSC:,, ,iii,| isiir, ll,,. same. In ISHT, tl„.i,. were iV.aii :'.00 to 400 insido 

 tlic l'.ay t'li,ilcMii.-<. I liavc sciii in ISi;;, iTiO ivjiiy „t luu'lior in Tuit Dnniel Hiiv, and an miiny more 

 III rusiMOijiic nil till' sami' day, tlircc foiirtli Amcrioiin.H." 



iMr. Philip Vihcit, ot I'crce, Gaspe : — 



" Of Into ycMis few rnilcd Stales vessels have visiti'il lair dist'iel for inaelicrol. lait I liavo seen 

 20fl or IiOO ill siylil al one time. Not more than four or live years (i;,'o I eoimtiMJ JilT from my luaisc. 

 I li.ive si-eii .'loil in Hav Clialeiirs and sti'iimiii',' np to t,>iieliee: have seen a.s many iihue on llie way up. 

 The averai;e niimli.r from the (Jm uf Canso ii|iuards, 1 .siiiMild put al not less than from :i.">0 to 400, 



iivenieint; seventy to seventy-live tons. .Skippers come ashore ami an mmnnicative ; in l'ai'l,iii many 



instances they are interesli.l in oilier vessels, and they look alter the eiiteh, and iiaii tell pretty « oil 

 wliiil it is. There is no dillieiilty in nrrivinj,' at a '.'eiieial estimate of the take of lioat.s." 



"A vessel may eonie into (leor^'etowii with u liroki'ii .■^par. and Ihii captain st.ite that there tirr, 

 .sevenly-five vessels at the Ma;,'dalen Islands, another Vessel wonld report 100 vessels in Hay Chaleurs 

 — at is the only wav in which you can ^,'et at thi^ nninher of vessels in the hay." 



Mr. rieorfje llnrbour, of Sandy Bench, Gasjit' : — 



"Three huuilred isahiait the avuniee. llavu .seen a.smaiiv as liliv at onetime in the harbmir. In 

 1872 there were at lea.st ."OO sail." 



Mr. VVm. A. Sianct, ot (Jiiffin's Cove, Gaspe : — 



'■ lla.s been tiild by American ciptains that thore were liOO .sometimes, aa high as ."00, Did not see 

 all that numlK;r at one time, but has counted as m.iny as .si.\ly odd sail at one time at Madeleine 

 Kivcr." 



The testimony of Angus (irant, Port Ilawkesbury, will be found on page 180. He 

 says : — 



" From IS,")4 to IHoii iiverani- iH-iween ."lOO and lioO wiihin tie' Viay. Has seen 400 sail in Port 

 Hood al a time, Thi' iminlMi- iinivased liniii Is.'alto I.Sii'i.and nl' lar;,'er toiina;;i'. Since l.Sii'.lddwn, 

 (100 to Voil sail, (^iiite a laiu'c ilcet in lS7;i; alioiii .'am in 1.S74; uni .so many in l.~^7."i; and l.s7'), 

 periiap^ nm ipiite iialf of tlial. This year there is i|uile a laru-e Heel cumini,'. lias seen them coining; 

 every day. l.ises on Sliait ^'f I'.m^'i, and i-.in si.> ili.|t| eie-.. .\\era;.'e uiimhcr of rnited .States' 

 codlishiiej llei't, fiMin •Joii to :!iMi >ail." 



I want to s(v wlutlicr he j^ves the proportion of the catches made inshore. 



Mr. Foslrr. — TIk- bulk of your witnesses did so. 



.)//-. Tliomaoii. — Yes. they did do so. Now, let me sec what tiie Americans state in 

 their own aflidavits. My Icmnud friend, Mr. Foster, asstnncs the caUli taken inshore, for 

 the purpose of ai'mnnent, to be one-third ; but 1 am jroini; to show you timt a number of 

 his own nrtidavits (allidiivits wiiich were made by a mimlier of his own men), give this 

 catch (1.1 about one-half, interested as they were ; some of our witnesses placed it at nine- 

 tenths, and eonsctpieiitly 1 think tiiat this Commission may fairly assume, that at hast 

 thrfe-foiiilhs ot lliese catches tire taken inshore. 



I will take atHdavjt No. "JOl, contained in .Appendix M. 



.Mr. luisler. — Head tlic whole ot' it. 



Mr. Thoiiisoti. — It runs as follows : — 



'■ I, Roderick Mcllnnald, of Low roiiit, N. S. do declare and s.ay on oath nn follows ; — T am living 

 at I.OW I'lant, Invernes..;, county Nova Scotia, am over Ihiity \ears old, have been lishiug fur about 

 twelve year-- iiiilil ihne years a;,'n, when I kiMcked oil', because mackerel was .scarce in the bay, and it 



tl 



lid ica 



ie.se SIX nr -eveli vi 



•The mackerel lishiuj,' bas niiii ii fallen ofl' during the last six or seven years — duriii; 



ars ll 



le .iveiajje yearly catch h.is la 



ver half I if what is w; 



111 



years a;jo- iluriir^ some sea.son.^ tin y \m 

 dnriii'' lini \veailier thev will work moif 



iir 



macli mile i 

 ;— tih' 1 



.IV (he s||< 



IS ei'Mit or ti.n 



at other sea.si iis nioii! inshore 



I h. 



Ilradlev Hank aim il iwent\ 



si place liir luackerel I have ever .seen is on 



v mile.i li'om 



whe 



rkcrcl 



plellly, Wl 



il 



North ('a|n^ I'linee I'Mward Island — sometimes the .Vmericans, 



ll ahniit iwi 



-ihirds of Ihcireiilitt' catch oiilside a line threi 



mile 



from shore , but sliikiii;,' an avern^'e I ihmk that diirin,^' a .seii.son when markerel is plenty, Auicrieans 



itch abeiil laie-hall mitside and the olln 



lalf 



le a line tl 



lie three m 



iles from shore.' 



