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words, I haven't found it necessary to make that second 

 shake. 



Mr. Smith — That is according to the rules that are laid 

 down by Mr. McEvoy. My experience has been the same 

 as Mr. Hutchinson's. 



Mr. Hutchinson — I wouldn't like to say it was never 

 necessary, but I say in my experience I have not found it 

 necessary. 



Mr. Smith — I have not found any to develop the second 

 time, unless it was taken from other infected colonies. 



Mr. Kimmey — From your experience with infected brood, 

 is it your opinion that you would find after the first trans- 

 fer that that colony would be saved, whatever way it was 

 treated ? 



Mr. Smith — Oh, yes, where it is done in the early part of 

 the season ; and it depends a good deal on the fall flow ; but a 

 great many of them have done well. 



Mr. Kimmey — Would there be much loss in the first two 

 weeks ? 



Mr. Smith — I believe you can gain by making the change 

 and putting them on full sheets of foundation because the 

 bees draw it out and you have a full sheet of workers and 

 the queen will fill those new combs. They are not clogged 

 with honey or pollen; and I have had a great many swarm 

 within four weeks after being transferred. 



Mr. Wheeler — I think there would be a great loss there 

 right along this line. You people ought to be pretty careful 

 when you go to work. We bee-keepers who are interested 

 financially, and have all our money in the business, do not 

 want to have the inspector come along that is careless in 

 regard to our financial welfare, as well as the bees. Now if it 

 is not absolutely necessary to allow those bees two weeks' 

 time before you cut out the combs, we don't want to have to do 

 it. In regard to this man asking if that colony is of any 

 value, it certainly is of value. The colonies in the spring 

 may show a little of that disease, and they want shaking 

 out and may gather hundreds of pounds of comb honey in 

 that season. And right there is where you people ought 

 to be a little careful. We ought to have scientific investiga- 

 tion; we ought to have some definite knowledge to go by, 

 and not be haphazard about it, and have a man come along 

 and say two or three days or two weeks, it doesn't matter. 

 We must understand what we are doing. It is a matter of 

 thousands of dollars of importance to us. 



Mr. Smith — I said two weeks. I said that is as long a 

 period as I have known parties to let their bees remain and 

 change them.; But (about four days is what I Itell them. 

 Leave those in till they have exhausted the honey, about 

 four days, and then change them back onto other frames or 

 foundation. 



Mr. Wilcox — Wouldn't it be better to put them on empty 

 frames than foundation? 



Mr. Smith — I do, as a rule, but a great many men have 



