ILLINOIS STATE BEE-KEEPERS ASSOCIATION 



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empty frames, one on top of the other, 

 but first making it so tight below that 

 nothing could get in there al: all. Then 

 I put bi-sulphide in that. 



Mr. Hyde — Some are discussing the 

 moth-worms and combs; it seems to me 

 that the subject was the production of 

 extracted honey. 



Pres. Dadant — It is the profitable pro- 

 duction of extracted honey. 



Dr. Bohrer — Mr. Townsend is all 

 right. Now, in our locality that is all 

 right, but he is not all right on the way / 

 we do up in this country. My plan is to 

 put the empty frames next to the brood- 

 nest. They will work those empty 

 combs much quicker than above. I also 

 agree with Mr. Townsend as to the 

 queen-excluder, but I said it does not 

 make any difference if we run for ex- 

 tracted honey; we are not going to eat 

 it, and it does not matter about ike 

 pollen that goes up there. After I get 

 disgusted with them I call them "honey- 

 excluders," for they certainly will ex- 

 clude the honey, and exclude the queen, 

 so she cannot lay. Now, that gentle- 

 man over there, I agree with him about 

 the size of the hive, a lo-frame hive. 1 

 have said why I did not like the ex- 

 cluder, and, as I stated before, I don't 

 care anything about the pollen, because 

 it is not in the way; and if the queen 

 lays up there, she will lay up there an- 

 nually and go down. And by the time 

 you go to extracting again all the brood 

 will be hatched out, and I don't care if I 

 leave two or three combs in the second- 

 story when I extract the first time. 



Mr. Holekamp— I would like to speak 

 about the moths eating the comb. 

 Whenever I have comb without any 

 pollen I have no moths; when I have 

 pollen in the combs I have the moth. 

 Then the second thing, I can taste the 

 honey that comes from the pollen. I 

 don't know how pollen tastes in your 

 country, but it tastes very unpleasant in 

 my country; it has a peculiar taste that 

 I don't want. 



Mr. Hilton — May I say a word in re- 

 gard to the writer of this paper? I did 

 not hear the paper read, but I live less 

 than 50 miles from him, and there are 

 a great many things that I know about 

 Mr. Townsend and his methods, and 

 there are a great many things that I 

 don't know about him and his methods. 

 This I do know, that he is one of the 

 most successful bee-keepers in the State 

 of Michigan; that he can produce the 



most honey with the least expense, and 

 can run the most yards with the least 

 men. He is a man that would not fol- 

 low the occupation unless it was suc- 

 cessful, and he is successful as to the 

 manner and the matter of the queen- 

 boards. I am not in a position to 

 say why he does some of these things, 

 but I am able to say that he does the 

 things that are successful to him and 

 his efforts. Consequently, he is right, 

 no matter whether it would work in 

 Texas, or Arizona, or any other State 

 in the Union; but in Michigan-it is a 

 success. 



Dr. Treon — I want to say something 

 in reference to the method of keeping 

 empty combs; that is one of the serious 

 objections to Southwest Texas in pro- 

 ducing extracted honey, in my observa- 

 tion. I take a bottom-board first and 

 put it down; then put two sheets of pa- 

 per on that, then I set the body with 

 combs on it, and between each body 

 put two newspapers. When I take my 

 supers out in the out-yards, put founda- 

 tion in them> stack them up and set 

 them on a cover, there are no moths 

 there, and they fit pretty well, and I 

 have a number of times found those 

 frames full of webs, that are made by 

 small worms; they got in there and 

 laid their eggs. The only way that I 

 know to keep the combs is to fumigate 

 them with sulphur, or bi-sulphide of 

 carbon. And if there is the least bit 

 of pollen in them, there will be no bees 

 to protect the comb, and the web-worms 

 will be in there in 48 hours. We can- 

 not produce extracted honey as well 

 as you people that are farther north, be- 

 cause we cannot carry over the combs. 

 We cannot use the extractors as you 

 do, for the reason that our bees swarm 

 awfully, and it makes no difference 

 if you shake them or draw brood from 

 them, they will swarm anyhow, and 

 some have swarmed in a day or two af- 

 ter I had drawn two or three frames 

 of brood. 



Mr. Parsons — While we are not pro- 

 ducing extracted honey at present, 1 

 think I will tell you what we did in 

 Florida. At each out-yard we have a 

 bee-house. When the combs were taken 

 off they were carried off into the woods 

 where the bees took all the honey out 

 of them, and then were carried back to 

 the house. The room was built 8 or 

 10 feet wide and across the side we put 

 small sticks, say one or two, that ex- 



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