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right, the spacing must be in the sepa- 

 rator. 



Pres. York — They do not use the 

 plain separator. They use the fence 

 separator. 



Dr. Miller — The question is raised as 

 to how to get those sections out of the 

 case when they were packed in solid. 

 One way is to turn the case upside down 

 carefully and dump the whole thing out. 

 There would be no breaking in that way. 

 That is a little awkard. Another way is, 

 suppose your case holds 12 sections, put 

 in II sections, leave one space vacant 

 with a little bit of separator there packea 

 in, and you can open that one. I am 

 not insisting that you shall use the 

 plain sections, but I am trying to tell 

 how those things may be done. Aftei 

 using a number of thousands of them 

 I prefer the old-fashioned bee-way sec- 

 tion. But let us be fair with it. There 

 is an advantage which the plain section 

 has. I remember a good many years 

 ago seeing Mr. Heddon stand up here 

 and talk about sections with separators. 

 At that time he had a super in which no 

 separators were used at all, and he said, 

 "You take the section that has been pro- 

 duced with the separator. It has a lean 

 look." And that is a fact. The plain 

 section is plumper looking than the 

 other. I am not sure that I think of 

 any other advantages now, but I do 

 think we ought to be entirely fair to 

 the plain section, and this is a one- 

 sided business; those who prefer the 

 plain sections ought to be allowed to tell 

 us why they prefer them. 



Mr. Taylor — Just let them tell. 



Mr. Lyman — Doctor, you mean the 

 plain section of honey looks plumper ? 



Dr. Miller — Yes, it looks plumper. It 

 it filled out fuller at the end. 



Mr. Thompson — If paper is put 

 around any section in a case it can be 

 lifted readily, and that gives room for 

 each of the rest. 



Pres. York — I think we all understand 

 that the shipping-case as made today, has 

 a follower-board at the back and a wedge 

 or paper is put back of it so they can 

 be readily taken out. 



Miss Wilson — In the cases that were 

 sent to us there wasn't any space al- 

 lowed. They just fitted tight. 



Dr. Miller — I would like to hear the 

 views of those who prefer the plain sec- 

 tion. 



Pres. York — Nobody voted in favor 

 of the plain section. 



Mr. Kannenburg — I do not care much 

 for the plain section, but I like to see 

 the looks of it, and in one way they are 

 nicer to clean than the bee-way section. 

 I handle both of them, and I have no 

 trouble at all to get them out of a ship- 

 ping-case or out of a super, because 

 there is always space enough so that 

 you can bend, turn a little on the side 

 to take hold with the fingers. As far 

 as the cleaning of the plain section goes, 

 there is not so much propolis as there 

 is with the bee-way section. You do 

 not have to go into the corners so much 

 with a knife to clean the corners out. 

 The beeway sections are all filled with 

 propolis in the corners, every time, and 

 it takes twice as long to clean one 

 super with the bee-way section as it does 

 with the plain section. 



Miss Wilson — I do not agree with 

 you. 



Mr. Kannenburg — Another thing I 

 like, if you put the bee-way section and 

 the plain section on the table before 

 a customer, every time he will take the 

 plain section. 



Mr. Kimmey — I did not vote on this 

 question, because I did not know any- 

 thing about the bee-way section. My 

 Httle experience has been with the plain 

 section. As for taking them out of the 

 case in packing, I have never had any 

 trouble. Even before I produced any 

 honey myself, or had my bees produce 

 it, it always seemed to me that the 

 plain sections were preferable. I drop 

 into Siegel & Cooper's and I ask them 

 what they are selling honey for, and I 

 notice the looks, and it always seems 

 to me that as far as appearance goes the 

 plain sections are ahead. I know you 

 come to weigh them there isn't the turn 

 of your han-d in favor of one or the 

 other, and yet, as has been said, it al- 

 ways looks to me as if the plain had a 

 better look than the bee-way. I do not 

 feel qualifiea to speak for anybody else 

 as to which is the better. I wish I had 

 some of the bee-way myself, after hear- 

 ing these gentlemen talk, and this lady. 

 I do not want you to think because I did 

 not vote that I did not have any opin- 

 ion. 



Mr. Taylor — I just want to say, with 

 reference to bee-ways, there are a good 

 many of these plain sections sold. I 

 have sold some honey that way. I have 

 one customer that I sold a ton to for 



4 years, certainly each year, or perhaps 



5 years, and he always says, "I can get 



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