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EIGHTH ANNUAL. REPORT OF THE 



Mr. Moore: In spacing a little far- 

 ther apart? 



Dr. Miller: I would advise a begin- 

 ner to be a little careful about the 

 kind of frame he uses, because there 

 are some that are very strongly of 

 the opinion that there are none so 

 good as the HofEman, while others 

 think it is an impossibility. The differ- 

 ence is so great. We don't know 

 whether he is going to strongly favor 

 the one kind or another. 



Mr. Holekamp looks like an honest 

 man. If he would die suddenly and 

 will me his Hoffman frames I wouldn't 

 have one of them. So long as there is 

 thai great difference he must decide 

 himself. I am trying to show you here, 

 there are two men, Brother Holekamp 

 and myself, on other subjects we are 

 friends, so be careful here. Among 

 one of the things I notice, when some 

 one speaks of the advantage of the 

 Hoffman frame, why he compares that 

 as if there were no other kind of good 

 frame. Is it for comb honey or for ex- 

 tracting honey? I wouldn't give a 

 blue button what kind of frames they 

 are as far as the uncapping is con- 

 cerned. There are more things you 

 must consider. There may be such a 

 thing as a self-spacing frame. There 

 are some say they will interfere with 

 the uncapping. There may be one 

 thd.t will not interfere. For instance, 

 the ones that I have. There are four 

 spacers on each frame, one on each 

 end, but on the opposite side. The 

 spacers don't need to conflict with the 

 knife at all. When you start away 

 from those two spacers there is no 

 touching at the other end. But there 

 are those who have used this kind 

 and say the spacers don't interfere. 



The beginner should decide himself 

 what kind of frames he wants. You 

 find out if you have brains enough. 



A Member: I started with the Hoff- 

 man frames. There may be better 

 onis, but I have not used any other 

 than Hoffman frames. It is what a 

 man starts out with, and if he uses 

 something else probably he would like 

 that. I have not used anything else 

 but the Hoffman, and I don't want 

 any other. And I sell thousands and 

 thousands every year. 



Mr. Stone: I use a good many of 

 the Hoffman frames in my upper 

 chamber for extracting. I use nine 

 frames for q. ten-frame hive. They 

 are always heavy, so I don't get the 



benefit of the spacers. But I don"t 

 object to the spacers being there. I 

 can't push them together any further 

 than just so far. 



I like the Hoffman frame, but I am 

 not prejudiced in favor of it. The 

 doctor objects to the cutting up and 

 down. I believe when I go up the 

 side of the frame from me I can make 

 more time cutting towards me from 

 the opposite side, especially if the comb 

 is a little cold you can get the curve 

 of the knife and they won't stick to 

 the honey. 



Mr. Becker: I wouldn't have a Hoff- 

 man frame for extracting honey. I 

 have some few but I don't extract out 

 of them. 



Mr. -Stone says he puts nine in a 

 surplus chamber. Well, I use ten (10). 

 We use the same hive. We both 

 had them shipped together. 



I only use an eight-frame in a ten- 

 frame hive. I want a good wide comb. 

 If I use an eight (8) frame I have 

 nothing to do but just to go ahead, 

 and I cut up. A good many cut down. 



I learned the shoemaker trade when 

 I was young. I learned to cut toward 

 me. If you cut you mustn't cut in the 

 boot and shoe but in your finger. I 

 wouldn't have a Hoffman frame for 

 extracting. 



Dr. Miller: How many prefer the 

 Hoffman? And count the number. 



Mr. Gray: I have had some experi- 

 ence and it is very good, but I would 

 advise them to get Iwo colonies of the\ 

 best . bees and all the good papers 

 published. And as far as the Hoffman 

 frame is concerned, it would depend on 

 the locality. We have a good deal of 

 wax, and I consider them the poorest. 

 There is so much wax you break them 

 all to pieces getting them out. 



The President: The question seems 

 to be pretty well discussed on both 

 sides. We will have a rising vote on 

 the preference either of the Hoffman 

 or others. 



Those in favor of the Hoffman rise. 



Those in favor of the Hoffman num- 

 bered seven and two halves. 



Those that prefer other frames rise. 



Those in favor of other frames num- 

 bered seven- and two halves. 



The President: It is equally divided. 



Mr. Kildow: How many of the bee- 

 keepers have the frames they started 

 with and thought they were right first." 



