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EIGHTH ANNUAL. REPORT OF THE 



best condition and strong, and then 

 you have the better chance to battle 

 with the disease. 



Question No. 9. 



Which is the better for producing 

 extracted honey, a full story or a half- 

 story? 



Mr. Stone: Mr. President, nobody 

 seems to want to answer that question, 

 so I will say what I think. 



I don't think it is wise to put on 

 a full story to extract honey till the 

 hive needs a full chamber. It is bet- 

 ter to let the brood get full enough 

 till the bees demand a full story. If 

 I want to get comb honey I go to the 

 hive not strong enough for a full story. 



Dr. Miller: While that is true, the 

 nature of this question, the mind of 

 the one who gave it, is it better for me 

 to have shallow or deep frames? Un- 

 less it is strong enough to require 

 room, as much room as a full story. 

 That leaves still the question, had I 

 better have the two shallow stories or 

 the one deep one? There are argu- 

 ments on both sides. 



In the first place, I would rather 

 not have two kinds of frames. It is a 

 great deal more convenient to have 

 one kind of frame. On the other hand, 

 if I have the shallow frames for ex- 

 tracting, and go to the expense of hav- 

 ing a set of extracting frames, I have 

 this advantage, if you have a deep 

 frame, when you take that off when it 

 is partly filled, the other portion will 

 be sealed up and that is the lower part 

 of the frame. If you could cut that in 

 two and could have the sealed part 

 and leave the unsealed part there. 



The shallow frame gives you the ad- 

 vantage of having it sealed all at the 

 same time better than the larger frame. 



If I would think of beginning as an 

 extracted honey man I would And ou,t 

 what good extracted honey men were 

 doing, and I would go by what C. P. 

 Ded&nt does, and he uses the shallow 

 frame for extracting. 



Mr. Stone: I would like to add a 

 word. It would be different if anyone 

 is going into extracted honey especially 

 and not any comb honey. It would, of 

 course, be all right to have the shal- 

 low frame and deep frame, too. The 

 bees would fill up the shallow frames 

 and you would have to extract your 

 honey or put more cases under each, 

 and I think it would be a great deal of 

 trouble, whereby you could facilitate 



that by using both size frames. It 

 might be all right for them to have 

 both sizes. 



Mr. Stone: For explanation to our 

 members I will say, they see our 

 Treasurer going around and seeing 

 him paying some money. The Execu- 

 tive Committee have been authorized 

 to select parties for papers or speeches 

 and pay their railroad fare here and 

 back, but they pay their own hotel 

 bill. And when an association is af- 

 filiated with the Illinois State Asso- 

 ciation we pay their delegates their 

 railroaa fare. 



Mr. Moore: This subject of shallow 

 vs. deep frames for extracting supers. 

 The bees are rather slow to go into 

 the deep frame, it gives them so much 

 room to swarm; they will go into the 

 shallow frames and work quicker than 

 the deep frames. 



I would rather handle two supers of 

 shallow frames than one super of deep 

 frames. You can handle two supers 

 of shallow frames easier than the deep 

 ones. I never monkey taking one 

 frame at a time. I want to take the 

 super off and put another under. 



Mr. Stone: I go with my wheelbar- 

 row and a box I make to handle the 

 brood frame size; they are emptied 

 and put back into the hive for the 

 bees to empty or clean up as they see 

 fit. 



I take out two or three of the frames 

 on the stand and I keep placing others 

 in. I take a brush and brush the bees 

 off. 



Mr. Moore : In .a very short time you 

 will have your entire yard in uproar 

 (except during honey-flow you don't 

 notice it). It is a considerable job to 

 brush the bees off; you carry more or 

 less into your honey-house, anyway. 

 I like the escape board. I simply go 

 up and pry up the supers and slip the 

 escape board under, then the bees get 

 out. 



Dr. Miller: I would give this same 

 reply to a beginner. I think to a be- 

 ginner I would say use deep frames 

 mostly to start with and a few of the 

 shallow frames. That will give you a 

 chance to try the two side by side. 

 And I will tell you why you had better 

 take mostly deep frames. Tou will 

 need time and possibty will need those 

 frames for brood chambers afterwards, 

 and if you decide to use the shallow 

 ones you can, or if you decide to use 

 the deep ones you will only have to 



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