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EIGHTH ANNUAL REPORT OF THE 



fratties. I think they will work all 

 right. They will build up much quick- 

 er in the shallow frames than in the 

 deep frames. 



Mr. Stone: Mr. President, that ques- 

 tion of beginning to work smaller 

 frames is fibred down to the strength 

 of his swarm. The deep frame is not 

 too big a space in a good honey flow 

 and when your swarm is good they 

 will find it in a week. If you leave it 

 till this time of the year you don't need 

 a bee escape. Take out some of the 

 frames; there will only be a few bees; 

 brush them off. If your colony is not 

 strong it had just as well put in its 

 time getting so, and not give it any 

 surplus room. 



If I believed in the small frames I 

 would handle one-pound sections. 



Mr. Moore: I think our depth to the 

 shallow frames is five and three- 

 eighths inches. 



Dr. Miller: Or six-inch frames? 



Mr. Moore: They are full five and 

 three-eighths inches. Dadant's are a 

 little deeper than that. 



I think the bees will go to work 

 quicker and fill up quicker. 



Mr. Becker: The way I do — it is 

 true I haven't got as many shallow 

 frames as I did have. I had three 

 years ago this fall I had enough for 

 three stories for one hundred colo- 

 nies, but now I have to run them up 

 in beeswax. The bees died and I 

 haven't as many in the spring of the 

 year. 



My hives are ten-frame colonies. As 

 soon as they begin to work in the 

 spring I pick out the shallow frame 

 with one super on each hive and that 

 saves them from the moth getting 

 in, and they start gathering honey in 

 June. "When white clover comes in 

 these hives are all full of brood. My 

 hives in the lower chamber are full of 

 bees. That super is full. If I want to 

 run them for extracting I put in more 

 supers and a queen excluder. When 

 the bees are attached I put a queen 

 excluder in and keep the bees below, 

 and I think I get more young working 

 bees in the colonies than by putting 

 on your large frame. 



I don't want the large frames for sur- 

 plus honey. I put on only an eight 

 frame. "When I want to use the large 

 frames the comb is too wide. That 

 is why I prefer the shallow frame. 



Dr. Miller: I think this question 



has gone far enough, but if we can get 

 the opinion of those who have tried it 

 and have decided a shallow frame is 

 better for me or a deep frame is bet- 

 ter for me, then we have the weight. 

 I think when we have gone so far it 

 is better to take a vote. 



The President: I think we have dis- 

 cussed this question and got all the 

 substance out of it. Now we will 

 vote. 



Those preferring the shallow frames 

 will rise to their feet. 



Those preferring the shallow frames 

 numbered seven. 



Those using the deep frame for ex- 

 tracting will rise to their feet. 



Those preferring the deep frame 

 numbered three. 



Others did not have a decided choice. 



A Member: Now, Mr, President, 

 call those half way. Those that use 

 the shallow and deep or medium. I 

 use a ten-inch frame with a shorter 

 frame. 



The vote on this proposition was 

 seven to three. 



The President: More are in favor 

 of the shallow frame. 

 A Member: Yes, sir. 



Question No. 10, 



Will bees put out on a cold day 

 fly out immediately or wait till a fair 

 day? 



Dr. Miller: It depends on what you 

 call a cold day. Suppose you put them 

 out when it is about forty-five degrees, 

 and the sun shining, and still those 

 bees very much in need of flight will 

 not fly if they are not badly in need of 

 flight; they will not fly unless very 

 much in need of it. 



Question No. 11. 



Is there not some way by more 

 united action of honey-producers to 

 receive a better rate on honey? 



Mr. Bowen: I think mos^ bee-pro- 

 ducers asked for that in the National. 



People will readily pay from thirty 

 to forty cents a pound for butter and 

 other matters of table use that isn't 

 any more serviceable than honey. I 

 think the reason why bee-keepers don't 

 get better prices is because they don't 

 ask it. 



I am in Jacksonville and I never 

 sell a pound of extracted honey for 



