ILLINOIS STATE BEE-KEEPERS' ASSOCIATION 



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I should not suspect they brought in 

 many wheelbarrows full of wild rose 

 honey. It might be in forty or fifty 

 miles, or eighty miles, where you are 

 from me, a wild rose that they gath- 

 ered honey from. I think that this is 

 a fraud; by judging from my own 

 experience, looking over the field as 

 I see it, it looks like a fraud, and yet 

 it may be all right. I would like to 

 know if some one can tell. If you 

 can put something in my intelligence 

 that will enable me to tell what my 

 bees are doing I would be glad to know 

 it. 



Mr. Moore: Dr. Miller need not feel 

 apologetic about stepping on my toes. 

 My toes were nowhere near. I was 

 just simply using one way of saying 

 they were lying. There are several 

 kinds of lies, moral and commercial 

 lies. If a man had a gallon of apple- 

 blossom honey, and in each five gal- 

 lons of honey he put up he put a drop 

 of that I would not call him a com- 

 mercial liar. There would be some 

 foundation to the fact that it was rose 

 honey. I was simply looking for a 

 charitable manner of judging his case. 



An adjournment was taken until 

 1:30 P. M. 



SECOND SESSION. 



After icalling to order, the Secretary 

 read the report of the Auditing Com- 

 mittee which, on motion, was approved 

 and placed on file, and the committee 

 discharged with thanks. 



Taking Back Candied Honey. 



"Should we take back candied 

 honey?" 



Pres. York: I suppose he means af- 

 ter it is sold, should we take it Ijack 

 and exchange it. 



Dr. Miller: It depends upon the cus- 

 tomer and the bee-keeper. It depends 

 upon your trade. If you can succeed in 

 educating your customers so that they 

 prefer the candied honey you would be 

 unwise to take it back. In many cases 

 it is a question of which will pay in the 

 long run. In many cases the objection 

 is so strong among consumers that it 

 will pay you well to take it back and 

 reliquefy it. 



Mr. Dadant: I think that question 

 should be left open. If you have a cus- 

 tomer who wants liquid honey, and af- 

 ter you explain that granulated honey 

 is pure and tastes as good as the other, 



he still insists on liquid honey, reliquefy- 

 it and give it back, if he wants the 

 liquid; but I don't believe in guaran- 

 teeing it not to liquefy. I believe you 

 can educate the people to use granu- 

 lated honey, to melt it themselves, and 

 if you do that you will save yourselves. . 

 a great deal of trouble and prevent the 

 sale of adulterated honey; for that 

 reason I don't believe you should an- 

 swer that question definitely. It de- 

 pends a great deal upon the customer,, 

 and some upon the bee-keeper. 



Mr. Macklin: I send a good deal of 

 extracted honey to the grocery trade, 

 and in each case I guarantee to take 

 back the honey. I don't guarantee that 

 it will not granulate, but guarantee to 

 take it back and reliquefy it. The pub- 

 lic demands it. Where I sell it in gal- 

 lon cans to private customers, I ex- 

 plain to them what will happen, and 

 never had ajiy of them come back, and 

 I never make any offer to take it back, 

 but the grocery trade insists on it. 



Mr. Dadant: I wish to say that per- 

 haps it will be necessary to explain 

 that WQ, have always, since 1869, put a 

 label on our cans explaining that honey 

 does granulate when it is below 70 de- 

 grees, and I have heard customers ex- 

 plain to one another, "Your honey is 

 granulated. You will have no trouble 

 in melting it. Put it on the stove in 

 hot water." They are trained and are 

 accustomed to it. It takes a long time, 

 but you can do it. I believe every bee- 

 keeper should try to educate the people, 

 but if he cannot, he should take it back 

 and reliquefy it. But our circular will 

 convince a great many people. 



Mr, Wilcox: On that point, I will 

 say I have never had to take any back; 

 but if I lived near my customers and 

 was delivering them bottled honey di- 

 rect, I would take it back, but for the 

 common trade, where you ship at a dis- 

 tance, I would never think of taking 

 it back. I have a label printed ex- 

 plaining carefully how to reliquefy it, 

 and mall them a slip and attach it in- 

 the form of a label, but they should- 

 know that all, or nearly all, extracted- 

 honey, will granulate in cold weather. 

 I have never seen any that would not, 

 and I have talked with large buyers 

 of the American Biscuit Company, and- 

 they say they never have. For that 

 reason, it is to our interest to have the 

 public understand the fact that it does 

 granulate, and how to reliquefy it. 



Mr. Kimmey: The discussion seemSi 



