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EIGHTH ANNUAL. REPORT OF THE 



Mr. Kluck: 10-frame Langstroth, 

 and when I have no excluder I am not 

 troubled with swarming very much. 



Dr. Bohrer: Are you bothered much 

 with the queen going above? 



Mr. Kluck: She will go In the first 

 super. Some times I have 5 or 6 

 supers on at one time. 



Dr. Miller: I am a little curious to 

 know what Mr. Wilcox can tell us on 

 that — by what means, and what ad- 

 vantages will result to the apiarist by 

 securing this result? 



Mr. Wilcox: The question is by 

 what means is it practical to induce 

 them to store the honey in the supers? 

 My opinion is that it is impracticable 

 to do it; that they will do it anyway. 



Dr. Miller: Without passing through 

 the excluders ? 



Mr. Wilcox: Yes, without passing 

 through excluders. You get too much 

 honey above, anyway. 



Dr. Miller: Possibly I misunder- 

 stood the question. I got the idea that 

 the writer of the question wanted to 

 know, when he had excluders on, how 

 he would get the bees to store the 

 honey above without going through 

 the excluders. 



Mr. Wilcox: How to get the honey 

 above without the use of the ex- 

 cluders. 



Mr. Smith: There would be an ad- 

 vantage to the apiarist not to have 

 room in the second super or the combs 

 filled with bee-bread. . The bees will 

 not store bee-bread where the queen 

 cannot go; there I think it is quite an 

 advantage to have excluders. 



Mr. Whitney: If the excluder is on, 

 and there is an upper entrance for the 

 worker-bees to go in and out, they 

 might be induced to store their honey 

 there without disadvantage to them, 

 because they would not have to go 

 through the excluder. Some times 

 that is done. Perhaps the entrance 

 should be on the opposite side from 

 the entrance in the main hive be- 

 low. 



Mr. Wheeler: I don't see any need 

 of an excluder with shallow frames. I 

 don't think there is any trouble in 

 bees going into the super if you use a 

 four or five inch frame. 



Dr. Miller: Do you mean shallow 

 frames above or below? 



Mr. Wheeler: Above. After that is 

 full, put in another one. Bees don't 



attempt to put brood in a shallow 

 frame, with me. If I put a Langstroth 

 frame above another Langstroth frame, 

 they are almost certain to put brood 

 up there. With the old style excluders, 

 in nine cases out of ten, the queen will 

 go through the excluder. 



Mr. Horstmann: I don't see any use 

 in an excluder except late in the sea- 

 son. I put my excluders on about the 

 first part of September or the latter 

 part of August. I give the queen all 

 the room she wants. I breed sometimes 

 in three hive-bodies at one time. When 

 the honey season is almost over I fill 

 up the lower hive-body, and as fast as 

 the young bees hatch out, the bees 

 will fill the empty cells with honey, 

 and I am never bothered with bee- 

 bread up there. I think it is a great ad- 

 vantage around here not to use the ex^ 

 cluders until the honey season is al- 

 most over. I consider that the bees 

 have just as much trouble getting into 

 a small space as I would have in try- 

 ing to crawl through a fence with a 

 mail sack on my back. If the bees 

 come in loaded, the queen-excluder is 

 a disadvantage to them, and by doing 

 away with that excluder during the 

 main fiow it is a great advantage to 

 the bee-keeper, and also to the bees. 



Mr. Moore : There may be some here 

 in my own fix, who would like to know 

 how extensive honey producers find 

 this, whether it pays to put excluders 

 in all cases between the brood-nest and 

 the super, or whether the damage to 

 the super honey Is so small that it does 

 not pay for the honey. 



Dr. Miller: Are you talking about 

 comb or extracted honey? 



Mr. Moore: Comb, exclusively. 



Dr. Miller: In working for comb 

 honey, I can answer that by telling 

 my own practice. I don't use exclud- 

 ers at all with comb honey, because 

 there are so few cases in which I find 

 any 'brood from the queen getting 

 above that it doesn't pay to have the 

 expense or even the trouble of the ex- 

 cluders; but in order to be successful 

 without the excluder it is important 

 tha,t you have every section filled with 

 worker foundation. If you have merely 

 starters in the sections, the queen will 

 be almost sure to go up, because the 

 bees not having enough drone-comb 

 below to suit their notions will build 

 drone-comb above, and you can count 

 on the queen going up and laying in 

 your sections. 



