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the reason the hive was made deeper 

 and the frame longer, was because it 

 took the hees longer to eat through 

 a range of combs. The "Jumbo" is 

 very near the Quinby frame, not quite 

 so long, and may not be quite so 

 deep — I forget dimensions. I hav« 

 used all of them, the "Dadant" hive, 

 the "Queen" hive — I had eighteen 

 different hives at one time — and when 

 I come to practical purposes, for the 

 beginner, I recommend the Langs- 

 troth, and until I have reason to 

 change my ideas from actual experi- 

 ence, I shall recommend it. 



Mr. Whitney: I have listened to the 

 arguments of the eight-frame advo- 

 cates and the ten-frame advocates for 

 the last number of years, and as a be- 

 ginner, I come to the conclusion that 

 I would add the two together and di- 

 vide it by two, and take the nine- 

 frame hive, which I use, and it is an 

 admirable hive, all things considered. 

 The eight-frame hive is considered by 

 men like Mr. Doolittle as being the 

 best hive for comb-honey production, 

 because the bees do not store so much 

 in the brood-chamber. For extracted 

 honey, the ten-frame hive would be 

 the better, it seems to me, for more 

 storage-room. But after all the dis- 

 cussion of this subject, it resloves 

 itself down to the answer that I think 

 Dr. Miller gave two years ago, when 

 the question was up. He said, "Yes." 



Mr. Moore: According to Mr. 

 Horstmann, there Is no advantage in 

 a ten-frame hive over an eight- 

 frame. Mr. Horstmann would just as 

 lief have eight dollars in the bank as 

 ten dollars in the bank. There has 

 been a long discussion for years on 

 this subject. The eight-frame advo- 

 cates have stated that if you had an 

 enormous chamber like the ten-frame 

 hive, there would so much below that 

 there would not be so much above, 

 and it has been a controversy between 

 the eight and the ten-frame hive. Dr. 

 Miller says he would not have any- 

 thing but a sixteen -frame -hive. Now, 

 it resolves itself, in my mind, to this: 

 One great big colony with all the 

 push, and go, and spirit, there is in 

 It, is worth half a dozen weak ones, 

 and I think you will find that the 

 eight-frame hive, with our long, dis- 

 couraging' season, will not have the 

 push and go, because It seems that. 

 In the spring, bees can actually weigh 

 the honey they have. Suppose you 

 don't- interfere with the honey in the 



brood-cihamber from the year before, 

 the ten-frame hive will have enough 

 to take them through seven months 

 and come out with enough honey to 

 encourage them. Dr. Miller says the 

 sixteen-frame hive is the same propo- 

 sition, twice eight. It is the same as 

 if you put them all on one story. The 

 idea is to get enough with the push 

 and go. You have got to figure on 

 our cold winters and long springs, 

 and the ordinary bee-keeper cannot do 

 it; but with a ten or sixteen-frame 

 hive the bees will attend to it, be- 

 cause they will have abundance of 

 room and abundance of honey. 



Dr. Miller: I think we have talked 

 a good deal more than we know about 

 this. The question is, what would this 

 convention advise the beginner? One 

 would advise a ten-frame Langstroth 

 hive, another an eight-frame Langs- 

 troth hive, another would advise shal- 

 low hives, and another a hive larger 

 than a ten-frame Langstroth. Will 

 you kindly find out how many there 

 are who would advise those different 

 kinds? 



President York: How many would 

 advise a beginner to use the ten- 

 frame Langstroth hive? (Four.) How 

 many would advise the eight-frarne 

 Langstroth hive? (One.) How many 

 would advise a shallow hive? (One.) 

 How many would advise a hive larger 

 than a ten-frame Langstroth? (One.) 



Foul Brood Law in Illinois. 



"Why have we no foul brood law in 

 Illinois?" 



Mr. Smith: It is not because the 

 bee-keepers have not attempted to 

 have one passed, that is, those who 

 take an interest. For the last six 

 sessions of the Legislature I have 

 been on the floor of the Senate and 

 House both, and did all I could, and 

 at the last session it passed the Sen- 

 ate, and would have passed the House, 

 but it was lost (by one vote in the 

 House, and I suppose there were 

 some bee-keepers to blame for that, 

 but I would not say so, and I hope 

 that the next time we make an at- 

 tempt it will be successful. 



Mr. Kimmey: May I ask Mr. Smith 

 what seems to be the trouble? What 

 arguments are used to oppose the pas- 

 sage of such a law? 



Mr. Smith: There are numerous 

 things that come up. In the first place, 

 the Legislature was averse to creat- 



