IL,L,IXOIS STATE BEPJ-KEEP-ERS* ASSOCIATION 



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eight-frame argument falls to the 

 ground, because you can't get enough 

 frame filled with brood in 21 days. 



Mr. A. 1. Root — We have a lot of 

 ladies present here and so far they 

 have not even peeped, and have not 

 been invited to peep, and if these 

 women handle bee hives I suggest they 

 will find an eight-frame hive a good 

 deal easier to handle than a twelve or 

 a ten-frame hive. 



The President — ^We would be very 

 glad indeed to hear from the ladies. 



Mrs. Stewart — I have both eight and 

 ten-frame, and I "would just as leave 

 handle the ten as the eight, and I 

 think I get the most comb honey from 

 my ten. 



Mr. Robb — ^I would like to ask Mr. 

 Holterman a question. I understand 

 he is termed a crank on queens. If 

 he paid no attention to the queens 

 and let them manipulate in their own 

 way, which hive would he prefer? 



Mr. Holterman — Mr. Armstrong sits 

 in this meeting, and, talking of what 

 queens can do, he will verify the 

 statement that I showed him a twelve- 

 frame hive in which the queen had 

 eggs from corner to corner, and at the 

 very outsidei there was not more than 

 two pounds of honey in that brood 

 chamber; the rest was all either eggs 

 or brood in different stages. We don't 

 give queens credit for what they can 

 do; we don't give them the chance to 

 do it. 



Mr. Holekamp — I have in late years 

 use^ a few of these large jumbo hives 

 and I found last year we had ten 

 frames full of brood and only about 

 that much bottom. (Indicated two or 

 three inches.) That shows an eight- 

 frame hive is rather small, if the 

 queen can fill ten of these ■ large 

 frames two-thirds full of brood. 



Mr. McEvoy— I think there Is a mis- 

 take in this. I think they are both 

 really using a bigger frame hive than 

 eight. An eight-frame hive left alone 

 is too small, but it is made larger by 

 the tiering up of iforood, and you can 

 arrive with more bees with, an eight - 

 frame hive if you work it out; it all 

 depends upon the management. I in- 

 spected bees north of Toronto some 

 years ago where a man wanted all big 

 hives. I told him the bee-keepers 

 were going into big hives and some 

 day they would rue it. We went 

 across to another man, and he had a 



lot of eight-frame Langstroths, and he 

 had immense large hives, and the big 

 hive was full of honey, pollen and 

 little or nothing in the supers, while 

 the eight-frame hive was all ready for 

 extraction. 



Take a big hive right in the midst 

 of the honey flow, there is one time 

 when that queen is looking for a place 

 to lay, because it is full of brood, 

 honey and pollen; if you— lift out a 

 couple of frames of brood and give 

 more room you can run it on that 

 principle. It all depends on the man- 

 agement. I like the smaller hive. I 

 will never use the twelve -frame hive 

 because I couldn't afford to keep them. 

 I can get riper honey because there is 

 a greater body of heat in the smaller 

 space. 



Mr. Hershiser — ^I wanted to ask Dr. 

 Bohrer if I understood him to say that 

 his queens le,id six eggs a minute? 



Dr. Bohrer — I have timed them and 

 have seen them lay six eggs in a 

 minute. 



Mr. Hershiser — Do you claim they 

 work at that rate for 24 hours a day? 



Dr. Bohrer — ^I didn't sit up all night 

 to "swatch. I suppose they wooild have 

 to shut down to take time to get 

 dinner. 



Mr. Holterman — Wouldn't the same 

 argument hold good with the sickle 

 and the cradle and the reaping ma- 

 chine? 



Dr. Bohrer — Certainly it would. 



Mr. Byer — That gentleman Mr. Mc- 

 Evoy referred to has since enlarged 

 his hives and he has lost much money, 

 he was telling me, by using the eight- 

 frame Langstroth hive. I have eight- 

 frame Langstroth hives and I have 

 twelve-frame quite a bit deeper than 

 the Langstroth, and those twelve - 

 frame hives are always ready to super 

 before the eight-frame hives. 



Mrs. Lewis — Ladies always like to 

 have kitchen w>ork pretty handy and 

 close by and they want plenty of 

 room, and so with the bees. When 

 we raise up .bees and do not give 

 plenty of room in t/he brood chamber, 

 when we come to extract we find 

 young bees in our extracting stores 

 and we find pollen there. If we 'want 

 to make box honey, and we find pollen 

 in the hives, it is a sign that we need 

 more room in the hives. If we give 

 plenty of room in the kitchen the rest 

 of the work will come out all right. 



