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Mr. Dadant — I think that is a mis- 

 take. I don't think a man can make 

 two entries on one premium. If (he 

 can't make more than one exhibit, he 

 will certainly select iMs .best piece. If 

 there are two designs, and the judge 

 hesitates between the two, he will give 

 tttie premium to the one who has the 

 better. 



Mr. Stone — Now, this is just ex- 

 actly like the design in honey. The 

 controversy came up because the man 

 did not have two designs in Ihoney; 

 the other fellow, an inferior exhibit, 

 got the first premium because he had 

 two ibottles 'Of honey. It is the same 

 with beeswax, exactly, and if you 

 make a dhange in one you have to 

 make it in the other; and if you make 

 a change in the other, why not go back 

 and modify the whole premium list? 

 Take it in the case of white clover 

 honey, 12 to 24 pounds. A man could 

 exhibit 500 pooinds, if he wants to, on 

 that. He Ihas to liave so much, and if 

 he Ihas ten times as much, if every- 

 thing el'se is equal with the man who 

 has a single case of honey, he would 

 be apt to get the premiumi. It ds the 

 same with design in beeswax and 

 honey. If the man ihiad the best, who 

 toad a single design, he would proba- 

 bly get it; tout if another man had 

 several pieces, but not as good, he 

 wouild not be apt to get it because he 

 had more. I can't see any way of 

 crawling out of that. 



Mr. Coppin — It seems to me there is 

 a little mistake there. If the premium 

 list called for a sa.mple of twelve bot- 

 tles, the judge would certainly give 

 the exJhibitor the full score for twelve 

 bottles; if the display is for a .weight 

 of 500 pounds, that will be given the 

 full sicore. The other mam migiht have 

 a thousand pounds, but he would not 

 get any more recognition on this ac- 

 count. 



Mr. iStone — If the man who had the 

 larger quantity was equally as good 

 as the other, he would be apt to get it. 



Mr. Coppin — Does it not say, 500 

 pounds wil'l get the full score, on the 

 premium list? 



Mr. Stone^ — -The score card reads, 

 500 pounds shaJll score for quantity; 

 it does not say anything about quality. 

 It takes 500 pounds to score for quan- 

 tity, and if the man has 500 pounds, 

 he would score full point; but if the 

 other man had more equally good In 



all respects, he would score a little 

 more; it would weigh with the judge. 



Mr. Becker — It says 500 pounds only 

 will receive full score; that does not 

 mean 600, or 700, or 800. 



Mr. Dadant — I would understand 

 that to mean not iless than 500. Any 

 one who was judge, if he saw two ex- 

 hibitors, one with 1,000 pounds, and one 

 with 500, and he hesitated between the 

 two, he would turn it over to the man 

 who had 1,000. Of course, if the honey 

 of the one who ihad the 500 pounds 

 was 'better than the one who had 1,000, 

 that would be a different matter. 



But we are discussing honey, and 

 the question is beeswax. Some one 

 has said that if you make up several 

 .designs in beeswax, one party is en- 

 titled to but one premium; that you 

 cannot get a first, second and third 

 premium. I think if what a man ex- 

 hibits is entitled to it, Ihe should have 

 it. For Instance: Here comes in a 

 man with three designs in heeswax, 

 eadb good. If a man goas to work 

 and takes the time and the expense of 

 making up three nice designs, and any 

 one of them is better than that of 

 other exhibitors, I think he should 

 have tftie first, second and third pre- 

 mium'. 



Mr. Becker — If you will look hack, I 

 think you will see that those 500 

 pounds were put in there for a pur- 

 pose. You will remember very well 

 when a certain man from Indiana got 

 the premium on ahout 100 pounds of 

 honey; another man from Iowa was 

 there with 500 or 600 pounds. When 

 we got up the premium list we meant 

 to make the Pair Association of the 

 State of iMinois a fine exhibit, and we 

 can make a finer exfhibit with 500 

 pounds of Ihoney than we can with 100 ; 

 and so, all the way through, with your 

 beeswax. If you have a fine display of 

 beeswax, it is attractive to the people, 

 to the Association, and to everybody. 

 Why, then, will you go and cut it 

 down, and set it down to one thing j 

 alone? I say, make as many designs , 

 as you desire to, and if the other man's 

 one design is better than all of these 

 others, give him the premium. I don't 

 'believe it is justice to cut a man down, 

 and say you can make but one design. 



Mr. Stone — It does not read that 

 way; it does not hinder a man from 

 making a dozen design®. 



