ILLINOIS STATE BEE-KEEPERS' ASSOCIATION 



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Mr. Holtermann — I tlhink if a bee- 

 keeper doesn't want heavy-weight 

 hives, he should go into a poorer lo- 

 cality! 



Mr. Cavanagh^ — Answering Mr. Hol- 

 termann, I would say that it is not the 

 amount o£ honey I object to carrying 

 in, but I don't like to carry in those 

 eight-frame hives; it is the lumber I 

 object to. 



Mr. Holtermann — This gentleman is 

 a man after my own heart; be feels 

 enthusiastic about this subject. The 

 time was when I would admit that an 

 eight-frame hive was better for comb 

 honey than a twelve or larger, but I 

 won't admit it any longer, for the sim- 

 ple reason that the larger hives — you 

 take an apiary with twelve-frame 

 Mves, and take one with eight-frame 

 hives, and you will have just as much', 

 if you imanage right, in proportion, for 

 full twelve-franies as eights in the fall 

 of the year; that being the case, you 

 winter equally as well, and will have 

 more bees to begin with in the twelve 

 than in the eight; therefore, the bees 

 can rear, in proportion, more brood, 

 and you have more bees there ready 

 for your comb honey-flow, or ex- 

 tracted, whichever it may be; you have 

 as many supers full of comb honey 

 from the ten as the eight, and, of 

 course, there are more sections' in the 

 ten. I think this gentleman is perfectly 

 correct, and, as Mr. Anderson says, 

 the ten-frames are better than the 

 eight. 



Mr. Wilcox — I was' going to say I 

 endorse what Mr. Holtermann has 

 said, and there is one point we might 

 emphasize, I think, in the ten-frame 

 hive — there are more bees; they have 

 more honey in the spring to commence 

 with; they require less, care, and 

 watching, and attention; rearing more 

 bees, when the honey season comes 

 they will store more honey, and I 

 don't see any disadvantage whatever 

 in having the ten-frame hive in prefer- 

 ence to the eigJit. The eight-frame 

 hive, for the production of comb honey, 

 in a district where all is white clover, 

 might be preferable, because you must 

 get just as many bees as' you can be- 

 fore the honey harvest commences; 

 but, in a locality like that in which I 

 live, where the (harvest is more or less 

 through the whole season, from the 

 middle of June to the middle of Sep- 

 tember, I will have the larger hive. I 

 am satisfied as' to this, because I have 



'many of both kinds in use all the 

 ■wiMle. I get more bees, consequently, 

 more honey. 



Mr. Horstmann — I can't see any rea- 

 son in the world' why you cannot get 

 as many bees in the eight-frame hive 

 as in the ten, working on Dr. Miller's 

 plan. Any one who knows anything 

 about getting bees ready for the 

 honey- flow will not confine the colony 

 to eight-frames. I never do. I have 

 used the double ihive-bodies in the 

 spring until the honey-flow starts. The 

 question is, what constitutes an eight- 

 frame hive? 



Mr. Cavanagh — ^We use two bodies— 

 ten-frame or twenty-frame hive — to 

 get our bees in shape to get honey 

 when the honey- flow comes. I don't 

 tihink the eight-frame hive is large 

 enough to build them up. 



Mr. Whitney — I want to refer to the 

 report of last year's proceedings here; 

 we settled that question about an 

 eight or ten-frame hive last year; re- 

 fer to last year's report, and you will 

 settle that question! 



President York — Which is the better, 

 the ten-frame Langstroth, or ten or 

 twelve-frame Jumbo, regardless of 

 weight? How many consider the ten- 

 frame Langstroth the better? Raise 

 your hands! (Seven.) 



Presidenit York — How many think 

 the ten or twelve-frame Jumbo the 

 better? (Six.) 



Dr. Bohrer — I voted on the last 

 question; I should have voted on the 

 other the same way. For some pur- 

 poses I like the ten-frame Langstroth 

 best, and for other purposes I prefer 

 the Jumbo. The Jumbo is the best 

 hive for wintering on a summer 

 stand. I never carry one of them into 

 the cellar; pack them out-of-doors, 

 and the stores are in the rear of the 

 bees and above them, so I never had 

 a colony starve to death with plenty of 

 honey in the hive, because it is) above 

 them and in the rear of them. I have 

 lost bees in both the eight and ten- 

 iframe hives. If I intended carrying 

 the hive into the cellar, I would prefer 

 to carry an eight-frame. Then I have 

 another hive — a fourteen-frame. That 

 is too big to carry in the cellar, so I 

 pack them carefully, or else watch 

 them from time to time during the 

 winter. I prefer one for one purpose, 

 and another for another purpose. 



Right here I want to say, I have to' 

 start in a few minutes; my train: 



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