ILLINOIS STATE BEE-KEEPERS' ASSOCIATION 



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Mr. Holtermann — How many years 

 •have you been wintering beees that 

 way? 



Miss Candler — Seven or eight years. 



Mr. Horstmann — ^It seems foolish to 

 answer that question like that. I want 

 the convention to decide which is an 

 eight and which is a ■ten-frame hive. 

 I consider the body that is used, re- 

 gardless of the number, is what the 

 hives sihould be named after. 



President York — How many agree 

 with Mr. Horstmann on that? 

 (Twelve.) 



Mr. Horstmann — I hope that will get 

 in the report. 



Mr. Kannenberg — Eight or ten- 

 frame hive — I don't understand. Does 

 he mean, if he puts two hives on top 

 of each other, that is meant to be an 

 eight-frame hive, also; if two hive- 

 bodies are put on top of each other? 



Mr. Huffman — No, I don't believe 

 that; an eight-frame hive will always 

 be an eight-frame hive, and if you put 

 one on top of another, that will be 16 

 frames. 



Mr. iHtoltermann — I would like to ask 

 what authority this organization has to 

 decide that question for every one? 



Mr. Horstmann — I consider this con- 

 vention supreme; anything they say is 

 law in these matters! 



Mr. Holtermann — Of course, it makes 

 me smile when advocates of eight- 

 frame hives begin to want to use, as 

 a brood-chamiber, combs in the super. 

 I think the hive is generally consid- 

 ered that part -which is the brood - 

 chamber; and the super is that which 

 is for the surplus honey; and, there- 

 fore, when, an eight-frame-hive man 

 wants to begin to use the super as the 

 'brood-chamber, that moment I begin to 

 smile, and say he admits that a ten, 

 twelve, or more, frames are better 

 than an eight. I think a proper defini- 

 tion for a hive is that portion which 

 is used as the brood-chamber, and the 

 rest is surplus; we call the one "hive" 

 and the other "super;" therefore, that 

 is a distinguishing mark in the number 

 of combs which happen to be on the 

 bottom -board. 



Mr. Kannenberg — As Mr. Holtermann 

 says, that is called "brood-chamber," 

 the first ihive, but the way Mr. Horst- 

 mann says, he puts that on top of the 

 hive to .make it strong; now, if the 

 queen goes up in the second hive, what 

 is called super, that is also a brood- 

 chamber, what will you call it then? 



Mr. Holtermann — Jumbo! 



Mr. Cavanagh — ^I would like to ask 

 Mr. Holtermann What right he has to 

 say the brood- chamber of the hive is 

 the hive, or the super-chamber is the 

 hive? 



Mr. Holtermann — All you have to do 

 is to go to your bee-literature; your 

 catalogue of bee-keepers' supplies.' 

 What is known as the bodj^ of the hive 

 is usually called the brood-chamber; 

 the supers have a separate distinction. 

 When I ship my supers, I don't ship 

 them as hives, but ship them as supers. 



Mr. Cavanagh — In Root's catalogue, 

 is the super not a part of the hive? 



Mr. Holtermann — You would say, ac- 

 cording to that, the hive with the upper 

 story is a sixteen-frame hive, where 

 two eights are put togeth'?r, but you 

 don't. 



Mr. Cavanagh — I would say it is 

 two-story eight-frame hive. I would 

 tlhink an eight-frame hive would be a 

 hive, each section of which contains 

 eight frames. There is no limit to the 

 number of frames we can use in a 

 hive; in one apiary we might have one, 

 two, three, or four- story hives, but we 

 would be running eight- frame hives, 

 perihaps, in all. 



Mr. Holtermann — The very fact that 

 you call them eight-frame hives indi- 

 cates the distinction I spoke of. 



Mr. Cavanagh — Yes, sir. 



Mr. Holtermann — ^I want to be fair; 

 let's ibe fair; if it is called an eight- 

 frame ihive, that would designate the 

 brood-chamber was what we call the 

 hive, primarily. 



Mr. Kimmey — Two eigOit-frame hives 

 may be equal to a sixteen-frame hive, 

 but may not be the same thing. 



Value of this Convention. 



"In a single sentence, give your im- 

 pression of the value of this conven- 

 tion to you." 



Mr. Cavanagh — Financially, in dol- 

 lars and cents? 



President York— No, you might be 

 out dollars and cents, coming here. Is 

 it worth attending? 



Mr. Cavanagh— I think there has 

 been a great deal of "sense" about it. 



Mr. Horstmann — I will say I got a 

 great deal of satisfaction today, even 

 on that Ihive question. 



Mr. Whitney — In renewing old ac- 

 quaintances, if nothing more, it has 

 been very valuable, I think. I would 

 not say that was all. l 



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