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Now we've already mentioned Ralph Niemann and Admiral Chase as making outstand- 

 ing contributions at Dahlgren. Are there any other significant personalities that come to 



Of course, Jim Colvard and Chuck Bernard,* and Lee Clayberg** is show- 

 ing that he has outstanding qualities. A number of men have left. Art Jonesf 

 was really very good. He undertook to do things that were, strickly speaking, 

 out of his training, and he showed the flexibility of being able to learn. Some of 

 them [the men] were flashes in the pan that showed a peak. Maybe that was 

 when they were trying very hard . I used to try to tell all the young people when I 

 interviewed them that, contrary to what they might hear from other people, if 

 they really wanted to move ahead in the organization, they'd better not relax, 

 juststay tense all the time. It's a full-time peak effort, moving all the time, which 

 means the adrenalin has got to be pumping. It's too bad, but all the junk we get 

 from the psychologists talking about ways and means to get people to reach "a 

 good adjustment" with no problems is completely wrong. The human being 

 evolved as a problem solver, and that's his primary function. If he doesn't have 

 problems, he improvises or invents artificial problems, games or something. 

 He's constantly out of adjustment and that's normal for a human being. When 

 he's got a lot of problems, he's functioning. 



Did you ever have a chance to become acquainted with the former Technical Directors-Dr. 

 Bramble, Mr. Riffolt, or Dr. Lyddane? 



Dr. Bramble and Russ Lyddane. Who's the other one you mentioned? 



Mr. Riffolt. 



No, I didn't know him. I heard about him. 



He must have been there in the early 1950's. 



The one I knew best was L. T. E. Thompson. I put him a cut ahead of the 

 others. He became Technical Director of the Naval Ordnance Test Station 

 where I spent 12 years. A lot of the methods that I've used at Dahlgren were 

 really taken from "Tommy." He understood the research and development 

 game, I think, better than any other Technical Director. That's what I tried to 



*Mr. Charles W. Bernard came to Dahlgren in 1969 and is presendy Associate Technical Director 

 at the White Oak Laboratory. 

 **Mr. Lee A. Clayberg came to Dahlgren in 1962 and was former Associate Technical Director at 

 the Dahlgren Laboratory. He is now Head of the Electronics Systems Department. 



tMr. Arthur L.Jones came to Dahlgren in 1942 and was Assistant Director of Analysis, Computa- 

 tion and Analysis Laboratory (now Warfare Analysis Department), from 1964 until 1970. From 

 1 970 until his retirement in 1972, Mr. Jones served as Head of the Engineering Department and 

 as Head of the Surface Warfare Department. 



