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Secretary Hickel. Mr. Congressman, I think that is an excellent 

 goaL It is a long-range goal. After we have the Public Land La\T 

 Keview Committee report — and I am not hiding behind their report, 

 I want to see what it says — I think we should address ourselves to 

 what I stated before, cataloging and inventorying all of our public 

 domain, both coastal and land, and come up with the wisest uses. As- 

 I mentioned, really the redistribution or attraction of population from 

 these highly densified areas to the other areas, is a practical thino-. 

 Until we come up and say this is the wisest use of the land, we don't 

 have anything to go on. I think it has to be done. 



Mr. Klugzynski. Mr. Secretary, I am glad to see you here this 

 morning. The legislation before us would also apply to the Great 

 Lakes. And, as you know, I have a great interest in the protection of 

 those lakes, as well as all other waters of the Nation. 



I also agree with your philosophy upon which you liave based your 

 program — ''use without abuse" — with the States and the local govern- 

 ments. I know^ vv'e will be able to work together eii'ectively to deal with 

 all forms of pollution. 



Once again, let me say I am happy to have you here, Mr. Secretary. 

 Secretary Hickel. Thank you. 



Mr. Blatnik. The gentleman from Chicago has been one of the 

 strong supporters for programs on the Great Lakes, the largest navi- 

 gational route, I believe, in the world. He was in the forefront and 

 among the leadership for the St. Lawrence Seaway and the coastline 

 that this committee handled, and later the deepening and widening 

 of the channels and the enlargement of the harbors, and the protec- 

 tion of the recreational areas, including the beaches. 



Again we have to refer to the population growth, and I hate to get 

 back to it, because I don't care how good the plans are, if they are 

 going to be drawn up in an airtight compartment, they are going to 

 be drawn up in an airtight compartment in a sinking ship. You talk 

 about a long-range program. It is not a long-range program, maybe 

 just a few statistics. The first 100 million people in America were 

 reached in about 1917, in World War I. It took about 300 years to 

 reach that 100 million people. 



In the last 50 years, 1967, we got the second 100 million people; 

 that is why w^e have problems today. 



We are behind in any avenue of human endeavor you can think 

 about because we didn't foresee in 50 years, wdiich is one-sixth of 

 300 years, the coming of the second 100 million people. 



We have had 90 million children born since 1945, the year before 

 I was elected to Congress. 



Now, in the next 30 yeare we will have our third 100 million people. 

 We are talking about long-range planning. It has to be planning right 

 now, and more than planning, it has to be working out the mecha- 

 nisms, whatever they may be, and I don't know wliat they are, to begin 

 to put these programs into eliect. 



Frankly, time is of the essence. So, again I v/ill stress the impor- 

 tance, because as I said before, not to have just competition among 

 the population foi- the uses of these areas, they ar-e going to be pressed, 

 compressed, and eventually just smothered by the human masses, by 

 the density and natural attraction of things pulling these people to- 

 gether — but to develop, not only a plan, but the means for carrying 

 out that plan. 



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