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Senator Baker. Tliis isn't meant, Mr. Chairman, to be in derogation 

 of 3^our excellent effoi-ts to produce the maximum effective piece of 

 legislation for the oceanographic concern or the coastal zone area. 

 It simply is to point out that iwhile I serA^e on this committee I also 

 serve on the Air and Water Pollution Subcommittee of the Public 

 "Works Committee, and I am also concerned with the xVviation and 

 Surface Transportation Subcommittees of the Commerce Committee. 

 There isn't a single committee that I serv^e on that doesn't have some 

 concern with the contribution to the environment. 



It is for tliis reason that I caution in the consideration of this legis- 

 lation and the Secretary's consideration of these problems, that we 

 balance all of the areas and that we have a decent concei-n for pollu- 

 tion as a whole and not just a single part of it. 



Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Senator PIollings. Senator Cook ? 



Senator Cook. Mr. Secretary, in talking to the chairman, you were 

 concerned that at the present time you do not have what you consider 

 to be the necessary injunctive power. 



Would it be youi- desire to request of this committee that that 

 authority be expanded upon ? 



Secretary Hickel. I would think so, ]Mr. Senator. 



Senator Cook. We are talking about not only the situation in South 

 Carolina, but also Florida, in regard to the jetport. 



Secretary Hickel. Yes. 



Senator Cook. Aren't you really saying that by utilizing injunctive 

 power, it is similar to putting the horse back in front of the cart? 

 It seems that the problem is the desire of the States to obtain a sound 

 industrial base. 



All States want as much industry as they can get and they fight like 

 the devil foi- it. They organize, make concessions, finance on a non- 

 taxable basis, and build access roads in order to attract this industry. 

 Xow, when industry begins to operate, many of them pollute the sur- 

 I'ounding environment, wliether it be the east coast of Carolina, or the 

 Ohio River or Tennessee River. 



However, the State and local governments which attracted the in- 

 dustry next realize that they cannot correct the resulting environmen- 

 tal problems at tlie local level. The Federal Government is then called 

 upon to correct the problem after the fact — rather than taking pre- 

 ventive action. 



Isn't this what Ave are talking about ? 



Secretary Hickel. I think that is basically Avhat has happened. I 

 think this progress you are talking about, whether it is generation of 

 power or wliether an almninum plant, whatever it might be, I think 

 what we have to do, at the Federal level, in cooperation with the State 

 governments, is to set guidelines down as to the quality of water that 

 goes into a stream, or the pollution that goes into the air or solid 

 waste, in such a way that we can have progress and still keep the polhi- 

 tion from happening. 



The technology exists to achieve this. I think what we have to do at 

 tl)e Federal level is say that this is the real cost of whatever the com- 

 modity might be, vrhether it is a suit of clothes or power. And that 

 when one uses a free public i-esource such as air or water he should not 

 al>use it, and one should return it to tlie public the way in whicli one 

 finds it. To have progi'ess and to alleviate these problems that have 



