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Senator Hollings. Mr. Secretary, relative to the matter of trying 

 to bring the States along and have them plan in the field of coastal 

 zone management, I think all three bills only call for withdrawal of 

 grants if the States fail to make management plans. 



Do you think that authority is sufficient ? It has been suggested per- 

 haps that after 3 years if the State failed to submit a plan, then the 

 Federal a,uthority ought to come in and establish guidelines itself. 

 Wliat is your comment along that line ? 



Secretary Hickel. I think you touched, Mr. Chairman, on, if I 

 might say, one of the weaknesses of the bills which specifies that the 

 States should have this right. We would hope that they would submit 

 plans for coastal zone management. But having been a Governor, I 

 know the problems, not just within one State, but in conjunction with 

 interstate matters. I would say that in the foreseeable future if we see 

 that this is not working and States are not acting, then we should seek 

 legislation to have the Federal Government get more substantially in- 

 volved. It is not that we would now want to get more substantially 

 involved, and I am not saying the States will not do a good job, but 

 that is the one weak link, if there is a weak link. 



Senator Hollings. "V^H^iat about the 50-percent sharing by way of the 

 Federal Government? The National Association of Counties, the 

 League of Cities, both want the Federal Government to grant a larger 

 portion. What is your comment on that ? 



Secretary Hickel. Well, I would say if they do the job, I think it 

 would be money well spent. But just to go to a larger share without 

 having any direct input may not be wise. 



Senator Hollings. I think your statement in some measure gave a 

 basis for it. You were talking about the counties and zoning and the 

 lack of revenue from property taxes, and so forth. I think that would 

 emphasize the point they made that perhaps a more equitable share 

 would be 75-25, or %-l^, rather than 50-50, to really get it off the 

 ground and moving. 



Secretary Hickel. That is a good question. I still say that we have 

 to face those social, economic, and political pressures that come about 

 such as city zoning boards. I have served on a city zoning board and 

 I understand that it takes a very strong man to sit there and do 

 those things that are in the general benefit and welfare of the public. 



But I would say if the States does not do it the Federal Government 

 has a public responsibility to 200 million Americans to see to it the 

 coastal zones are managed properly and are not desecrated. This re- 

 sponsibility is not just for the local ai-ea involved, but for the Nation 

 as a whole. 



I am not trying to editorialize on the problem, but trying to say 

 that this is the first step. If it does not work, let us take another one. 



Senator Hollings. Your administration bill excludes American 

 Samoa. Guam, and the District of Columbia. 



Secretary Hickel. It should not have. 



Senator Hollings. We should include those ? 



Secretary Hickel. Yes; we have no objection to including them. 



Senator Hollings. Senator Cook. 



Senator Cook. I might say, Mr. Chairman. I was talking to the 

 Senator from Tennessee about Federal matching programs. I am 

 reminded of reading in the paper the other day of a group of local 



