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I have not taken a recent sounding with the House Interior Com- 

 mittee, and so I am really in a position to give tliis committee a very 

 informed judgment in response to your question. 



Senator Hatfield. Then may I ask you this question? Are you 

 aware of the referral procedure that was used in our S. 992 on the 

 Senate side; that it was referred to the Senate Interior Committee, 

 that the Senate Interior Committee considers it ; and then it must 

 be referred, as it is here to the Commerce Committee, to the Commit- 

 tee on Banking and Urban Development, and to the Committee on 

 Public Works, four committees ? Therefore, if this committee should 

 act first, it must be referred back to the Interior Committee, or our 

 version in the Commerce Committee must be referred over to th& 

 Interior Committee. 



I happen to serve on the Interior Committee, and I know we are 

 putting important priority on this bill; but just from the very me- 

 chanics of these various committees and their other workloads, in 

 effect we are saying on the Senate side that this S. 992 is going to have 

 to get the approval of four committees. 



I have not been here that long, but I would make this kind of a 

 judgment : It looks like there is little likelihood we are going to get 

 four committees to act on this particular bill this session. 



Then I have to come back to the language of "critical environ- 

 mental concern," which causes me a great deal of interest, of course, 

 be<?ause I am a coastal State Senator. But I am saying this as one 

 who is a supporter and who believes in S. 992 but also feels that we 

 have got to look at the realities, the practicalities and all the other 

 things that face us here ; and I would like to think that, as much as 

 you are committed to S. 992 — and I do not ask you to diminish your 

 commitment to that at all. but to perhaps give us a little encourage- 

 ment as to takmg part of the loaf if we cannot get the whole loaf on 

 one of these coastal bills. "Would you give it suj^port, or would you 

 certainly undertake to take the concepts in the bill if you cannot get 

 the whole loaf? And assuredly, I for one will press for the whole loaf. 

 But I do not want to feel we do not have some kind of support from 

 you if we have to come to the bridge — and I think we are already 

 there — that you think is maybe still in the future. 



Mr. Train. I certainly would not want to discourage this commit- 

 tee from an aggressive, a positive approach toward this legislation; 

 and that certainly is not my intention whatsoever, because I think that 

 that could become a very negative kind of approach to what I think 

 we all agree is an exceedingly important problem and a legislative 

 program which I really believe the country is now ready for. 



Senator Hatfield. You would not put yourself in a position of 

 rejecting a partial loaf if you cannot get the whole loaf, would you ? 

 ^ Mr. Train. I cannot conceive that that would be the administra- 

 tion's posture. Senator. But I do want to really strongly emphasize 

 that we started with this consideration of the coastal zone in the 

 last Congress, and that was the administration's proposal ; and at that 

 time it seemed like almost a radical proposal to some. 



For years there had been an effort to come up with a coastal zone 

 management program, and it had never gotten anywhere, frequently 



