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Senator Spong. Mt. Train. I think he has asked you the same 

 question three ways. 



Senator Hollings. Excuse me for interrupting you. 



Mr. Train. I was delighted to be interrupted. 



Senator Hollings. Go right ahead. 



Mr. Train. If I could be a little facetious, it reminds me — I was 

 on a program known as "IMeet The Press" not very long ago and I 

 was discussing with my staff possible questions that might come up, 

 and without identifying wliat the question was, I will say that I asked 

 them how will I answer so and so ? And a response I got back from 

 one member of the staff was, "Ask to have the question repeated and 

 then pray for a station break." 



As you know, the President has proposed a major reorganization 

 which would involve the development and evolution of a Department 

 of Natural Resources which would include the responsibilities, as I 

 understand it, now held l^y NOAA. Certainly, this would mean that 

 looking at the larger land-use proposal that all elements of land use 

 as they affect the environment, both landward and seaward, would 

 be integrated administratively within one responsible Federal agency, 

 the Department of Natural Resources. 



Likewise, if simply a coastal zone management bill were enacted by 

 the CongTess, that, too, should be administered in the Department of 

 Natural Resources that the President has proposed. 



Now, I suppose the next question would be, well, suppose Congress 

 does not go along with the establishment of the Department of 

 Natural Resources; what then? I would prefer not to answer that 

 question at this time because here, again, the administration is strongly 

 committed to the development of a Department of Natural Resources 

 and I think it is long overdue. 



Certainly, as one who spent a year in the Department of Interior 

 as it is presently constituted, I feel very strongly that this is an im- 

 portant step to take and one which we are ready to take, and I Avould 

 hope that Congress will look very affirmatively upon that proposal 

 and that we look forward to the management of the ocean resources 

 and coastal resources as being part of the Department of Natural 

 Resources. 



Senator Holdings. Senator Spong. 



Senator Spong. I just have one last inquiry that does not relate to 

 this bill or to your position as to coastal zone management or a gen- 

 eral approach. It is a very small thing, but in response earlier to 

 Senator Hollings you went into a numher of Federal agencies and 

 departments that come under the National Environmental Policy 

 Act, particularly with regard to the environmental impact statement^ 

 required under section 102. 



Are you aware that the Justice Department in its administration 

 of the Safe Streets Act does not or has been ruled that it does not 

 come under these provisions ? 



Now, let me translate this so you will understand an example of 

 what I am talking about. In the location of penitentiaries, for in- 

 stance — we do not use the word "penitentiaries" — detention facilities — 

 that they are, as the situation now stands, not under this law. Were 

 you aware of that ? 



