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Mr. Jackson. That is right. It is to cover the big projects that really 

 have impact, but to permit the smaller projects to continue because they 

 are very small. 



Senator Steatsns. Do you feel that the meaning of 106(a) is suffi- 

 ciently well understood by Federal agencies, so that we are not going 

 to have someone come in after the fact and say, "You should have had 

 our approval before you put this plan into effect ?" 



Mr. Jackson. Not only is it understood by the Federal agencies, 

 but also by the State and local governments. There already exists 

 throughout the Nation an extensive network for carrying on this sec- 

 tion 204 — A-95 activity, and that is the reason why in S. 992 we tied 

 it into an existing mechanism so that it can be expanded rather than 

 creating an additional network. 



Senator Stevens. Thank you very much. 



Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Senator Hollings. Thank you. Senator Stevens. 



Mr. Secretary, on your comment that S. 992 is certainly the desired 

 and proper approach, the question is. Is it the practical approach? 

 And in that way, your comment that S. 582 and S. 638 are not broad 

 enough to be effective, are you saying they are not broad enough in 

 the land area or the coastal area to cover it, or are you saying they are 

 not broad enough in their approaches ? 



Mr. Jackson. Well, it does not include the dynamics of community 

 and urban development and urban growth that occurs in that portion 

 of the States and in those States that are coastal zone States. Your 

 definitions, your scope of activity, does not consider what actually 

 occurs in these areas. 



As you know, we have a large number of our major cities tliat would 

 be included in the 31 States affected by the coastal zone legislation 

 and their activity. The dynamism that goes on every day in the de- 

 velopment and planning and use of that land for housing, for com- 

 mercial facilities, for large public facilities just is not considered in 

 here, and it just seems to us that for Congress to embark upon leg- 

 islation that is as significant as this is without including the dynamics 

 that go in urban growth and community development would be a 

 mistake and that it would be far better to include it in the broader 

 concept that S. 992 suggests. 



Senator Rollings. Well, are you aware that the National League 

 of Cities, the National Association of Counties, and various other 

 groups came forward last year on the coastal zone bill attesting to 

 the dynamics of urban development and testifying in favor of the 

 enactment of the coastal zone bill ? 



Mr. Jackson. Yes, Senator, and the administration did, too, and 

 we support the concept of the coastal zone bill. 



Senator Hollings. That is what I am trying to get. If you could 

 not get the whole loaf, again, would you go along with this coastal 

 zone bill? 



Mr. Jackson. We believe that the proper action is to push vigor- 

 ously for S. 992 and we think — I think that the answer of Chairman 

 Train was the appropriate one in regard to what the administration 

 posture is. 



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