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from Ohio and myself, in our personal appearance before the ap- 

 propriate committee which was considering Reorganization Plan No. 

 3, and Reorganization Plan No. 4, which brought in, as you know, 

 EPA as an independent Agency, and we testified as forcefully and 

 as strongly as we knew how, in an effort to get the administration's 

 bill, Reorganization Plan No. 4 establishing NOAA. 



Now, it disappoints me that the administration cannot see the co- 

 operation and the objectivity of this committee which will mean to 

 the administration that ultimately it may have difficulty itself in the 

 total land use program, but as I say, we are going to get ready to 

 start to begin to cormnence some time in the dim distant future, and 

 that does not give me any encouragement. 



I will yield to my friend from IMinnesota, Mr. Karth. 



Mr. Karth. Thank you very much, ]Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Chairman, I know how you feel. I guess other members of this 

 cormnittee are most appreciative for the administration's idealistic 

 approach. 



I admit that is the best, but we have to face the practical situation as 

 to whether or not it can become law. 



How many Members of the House have introduced H.R. 2492 and 

 H.R. 2493 ? i)o you know ? 



Dr. MacDonald. No, I do not. 



Can I just comment on the administration's proposal ? 



It has been introduced. 



Mr. Karth. That is the administration's proposal. 



Dr. MacDonald. No, no ; 2492 and 2493 are proposals that have been 

 introduced by the chairman here. 



Mr. Lennon. For the record, the bill that the gentleman has ad- 

 dressed himself to for the full time is not before this committee. 



Mr. Karth. Yes, I understand. 



My question, Mr. Chairman, is how many Members of the House 

 have introduced H.R. 4332 that is before the House Interior Committee. 



Dr. MacDonald. H.R. 4332 was introduced by request. 



The identical bill 4337 has been introduced by one Member of the 

 House; and H.R. 4569, also the identical bill, was introduced by one 

 Member; and H.R. 5504 had 15 cosponsors, all of them are the same 

 bill. 



Mr. Karth. So we have about 18 Members of the House introducing 

 the administration's proposal. 



Dr. MacDomald. That is right. 



Mr. Karth. Of tlie 15 who introduced the one bill, did it indicate 

 pretty well it had bipartisan support, or what is the politics of the 

 authors, do we know ? 



Dr. MacDonaij). The list I had here, though I cannot recognize all 

 of them, it would be strongly weighted toward the minority party. 



Mr. Karth. That is all, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Lennon. How many coastal States involved in the sponsorship 

 of the bill which you said had 15 cosponsors ? 



Dr. MacDonald. Including the Great Lakes ? 



Mr. Lenxon. Right. 



Dr. MacDonat,d. OK then, we would say approximately, and I do 

 not want to be held to this figure, but I think eight. 



Mr. Lexnon. Mr. Mosher ? 



Mr. MosHER. I have no further comment. 



