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Mr. Lennox. Mr. Forsythe ? 



Mr. Forsythe. Air. Chairman, I thoroughly agree with the points 

 that you have made, and the distinguished ranking minority member 

 has made, that we must be starting somewhere on this. 



I would ask Dr. MacDonald in relation to support from State gov- 

 ernments with regard to the administration's bill, do you have any 

 feel for that? 



Dr. MacDonald. Yes, we had, I would say, some support, for 

 example, through Governor Lucey of Wisconsin, w'ho testified in gen- 

 eral support of the administration's bill on the Senate side, and our 

 contacts with the coastal zone States have indicated in general, though 

 I would be less than fair to say it is certainly not unanimous support 

 for it. 



Mr. Forsythe. Thank you. 



Mr. Karth. Would the gentleman yield ? 



Are those who oppose the administration's bill in the coastal zone 

 State, did they state what is the purpose of the opposition, what did 

 they object to? 



Dr. MacDonald. I believe there is still a great deal of concern that 

 the administration bill goes too far, that it is in a sense revolutionary 

 in character, and that it does ask these States to develop means for 

 regulating a wide class of areas. 



We have spoken today of the environmentally critical areas because 

 the coastal zones would come under that definition. 



The bill would require these States to develop land-use regulations 

 for key facilities, highways and airports, and also for areas that are 

 key to regional development. 



There is some concern that we are taking a very large step at this 

 time. 



We feel that it is required. 



Mr. Karth. Do the States generally oppose or not support the ad- 

 ministration's bill, that it is rather expensive for them to embark on 

 such a project, that it would be too much conflict between the munici- 

 palities and the State ? 



Dr. MacDonald. There is concern about the conflict between State 

 and local municipalities. 



We think that the regulatory process is not all that expensive, and 

 I think there is general agreement to that, that the grant programs 

 that are indicated in the administration's bill would be sufficient to 

 l^rovide for the planning and the early administration of State land- 

 use plans. 



Mr. I^rtil. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Lennon. Now, doctor, just for the record, in the National 

 Governors' Conference, it took the position and supports the objec- 

 tive of the legislation which is now being considered by this committee, 

 and they have so formally advised us. 



No. 2, you are familiar with the National Legislative Conference, 

 an organization representing the legislatures and the general assem- 

 blies of the 50 States. 



Now, they are officially on record favoring the concept of the legis- 

 lation that is pending before this committee. 



How do we say no when we have the consensus of opinion to at least 

 take the first step ? 



Dr. MacDonald. We would like to take not only the first step, but 

 two or three more steps. 



