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In addition thereto, the National Legislative Council, representing 

 the legislatures and the general assemblies of the 50 States have made 

 it crystal clear to this subcommittee in its testimony, speaking for 

 them, that it supports the concepts of this bill. 



Now, the language that I find on page 12, Mr. du Pont, beginning 

 on line 3, -svhich makes it crystal clear to me, is the procedural aspect 

 under which these areas may be designated and the purposes therefor 

 and the grants to be used therefor, for the purposes of developing these 

 coastal zones, has to go through a rather not too tortuous, but I say an 

 essential hearing and then determination and considerations before 

 any approval will be given for this purpose; and I think appropri- 

 ately so. 



You are suggesting, Mr. Secretary'', that we ignore that and start 

 to commence to wait for another few years because it is obvious that 

 you are not going to have this total program related to your coastal 

 zones and your land use certainly within the next few years. 



I think everj^body will achnit to that. 



Are you suggesting that we just get ready and start to commence to 

 stop and wait and do nothing ? 



That same suggestion was proposed in a sense as to the problems 

 of ocean dumping. 



Let me make it crystal clear here now that it was the fault of tlie 

 administration that precipitated the ocean dumping bill and its unwill- 

 ingness to meet the situation related to the clumping of the 420 caskets 

 of nerve gas off Cape Kennedy last year after an agency^ of the Fed- 

 eral Government, the Atomic Energy Commission, on the advice of its 

 St. Lawrence laboratories, made it clear and put it in writing that 

 they had the capability, the finesse, the skills, and the experience, to 

 dispose of that gas without clumping. Everybody agreed to it. Your 

 commission that was created from the National Science Foundation, 

 tlie scientists gave their total agreement to it, but they did not make 

 this reservation. 



We suggested creating a commission composed of people in this 

 area to make a stud}^ of this matter. They did. They came up with the 

 identical recommendation of the ad hoc committee created at the re- 

 quest of the Department of the Army from the National Science 

 Foundation and then AEC backed off' and said, "Uli-^h, no; politi- 

 cally this would hurt the administration to ship this stuff out here 

 and dispose of it on the ground." 



They said, "We would rather not do it," and nobody had the guts, 

 and I use the word "guts" just as it is on this particular matter, to go 

 to the President to get his decision. 



That is what, in my judgment, brought about the recognition that 

 something had to be done about the dumping into the ocean of chem- 

 ical and biological and radioactive warfare agents. 



Here we are today, and there is an effort being made now by the 

 Department of the Interior to block that bill ; and the Department of 

 the Interior is involved in it, trying to l^lock that bill because is does 

 not like the marine sanctuaries and it wants control of the marine 

 sanctuaries. 



Under title III of that bill, it would permit that to be established ; 

 and I know what I am talking about and I do not care if it is on the 

 record or off the record ; and I do not care if vou are here. I am not 



