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impatient ; I am a tolerant person, or at least I try to be. But I get a 

 little bit impatient on the lack of recognition of the need and the 

 jealousy among the departments and bureaus as to who is going to 

 have the authority to do this. 



I am not lecturing anyone nor ami condemning anyone ; but do not 

 get me started, or I might. 



We would like your views, Mr. Secretary, as to whether you think 

 we ought to wait at this point in time and do nothing about the creat- 

 ing of the coastal zone management program until such time as we 

 could get a land-use bill through Congress. I think you gentlemen 

 know that some of us have lived with this problem for years and 

 have felt the need for an independent oceanic and atmospheric agency ; 

 and we recognize with the administration taking another view that 

 it would be years before that could be brought into being. 



Vie supported, on a nonpartisan basis, the President's recommenda- 

 tion for the establishment of NOAA. 



We do not find much support at the national level for ISTOAA, even 

 though it was the administration's creature, created by E-eorganization 

 Plan No. 4 that you are familiar with. 



Are you saying now with the recognition that it is very unlikely 

 that the Congress will act anj^time in the recently foreseeable future 

 for a total program related to land and water, that we ought not do 

 anything; just go row the boat gently down the stream and let the 

 American public take the consequences ? 



Is that what you are saying, Mr. Secretary ? 



I wish you would put it into the record, if so. 



Is that what you are saying ? 



Secretary Loesch. Mr. Chairman, let me observe that I do not share 

 your view in the first place. 



Mr. Lennon. No, sir; I do not expect you to. You would not be 

 here in the first place if you did. 



Secretary Loescii. No, sir; I do not share your view that there is 

 likely to be a great delay in passage of a land-use planning bill. I do 

 not say that will necessarily be the administration's bill, but I think 

 this Congress will devote itself, it has, in part, already, to a general 

 land-use planning bill. 



I think the studies of the present Council on Environmental Quality 

 were quite definitive, that vre needed more than a coastal zone manage- 

 ment bill and, of course, I am well aware, as you are, that the coastal 

 zone management bill you are considering had the support of the 

 administration a year ago or a little more than a year ago. 



I just do not think we ought to settle for a half a loaf if we can get 

 it all, and I believe we can get it all. 



Mr, Lexxon. Well, why does the Department of the Interior think 

 that it ought to have the administrative authority over the designa- 

 tion and the administration of marine sanctuaries ? 



Secretary Loesch. Mr. Chairman, I think that the reason that we 

 are concerned with the seaward area to the edge of the Continental 

 Shelf is simply on account of our responsibility concerning the devel- 

 opment of those areas under the Outer Continental Shelf Act. 



Mr. Lenxox. What is the spelled-out functions of the National 

 Oceanic and Atmospheric Agency ? Who created it ? ^Yho brought it 

 into being, and what is its objectivity as associated with this admin- 

 istration ? 



