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This bill is really addressing itself to water management, and such 

 land management as is absolutely necessarj^ in order to manage the 

 resources of the offshore area. 



Would you agree that your statement would be equally valid if you 

 put in the exercise of water management responsibilities, or would you 

 at least say land and water management responsibilities and would 

 then the thrust of your statement have quite as much validity ? 



Secretary Loesch. Yes ; I think it would be appropriate to say land 

 and water management. We do not realh' separate those two things 

 in our minds. When you get right down to it, wliat you need is overall 

 planning and management of the area under a x>articular State or Fed- 

 eral jurisdiction, whether it be land or water. 



The great area where land meets the water is, of course, of great 

 significance, and I think it is this, and we just sort of lump it as land 

 management. 



Mr. Heyward. Well, as long as your statement here is recognizing 

 water management, I just wanted you to clarify that. 



Now, second, the bill, as it is drafted, provides assistance to the States 

 in developing a plan. It does not direct the States to separate their 

 land use and their water resource management problems. Obviously, 

 they are going to have to consider them together. 



Wiat is objectionable to having the Federal Government under this 

 bill, coastal zone legislation, provide for assistance to the States that 

 have not been able to come forward with total plans ? 



Wliat is objectionable to now providing that initiative with the 

 imderstanding if, at a later date, an overall land use program in initi- 

 ated, that the two must merge together? After all, as far as the States 

 are concerned, while there is a review at the national level, the purpose 

 of the bill is to assist the States financially to get going. 



Secretary Loesch. Yes ; and, of course, this is also true of the land-use 

 planning, the national land use planning bill. I think both bills are 

 aiming at institutional reform in the States to get going on proper 

 planning. 



Mr. Heyward. Is there anything in the administration's approach 

 which provides assistance for the States, for instance, to acquire 

 estuarine areas such as there is in coastal zone legislation ? 



Secretary Loesch. To acquire tliem ; no, sir. 



Mr. Heyavard. To acquire rights that may be necessary to protect 

 estuarine areas? 



Secretary Loesch. No ; there is not, except that the land-use plan- 

 ning bill basically provides for planning grants and then, upon 

 completion of the plan, program grants, but no acquisition money I 

 am aware of. 



Mr. Heyward. In connection witli the other aspect of the marine 

 sanctuary, would your objection be changed if the marine sanctuary 

 authority did not extend beyond the contiguous zone ? 



Secretary Loesch. I am not sure that I can sit here and say to this 

 committee that that change would result in Interior supporting it, but 

 certainly it removes what I have considered the major objection. 



Mr. Heyward. At least beyond the contigiious zones, the only thing 

 we are talking about preventing, so to speak, in the marine sanctuaries 

 is the exploitation of the mineral resources of the seabed. 



If it were limited to the contiguous zone, the argument would not 

 have the validity it presently has. 



