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including land use l3y Interior, including housing problems by HUD, 

 including airport development by Transportation, including defense 

 programs in the coastal zone area ^ I hardly see how you could provide 

 a better coordination of Federal programs at the national level and 

 I would suggest that the States in coming up with a program are 

 going to have to recognize tlie Federal interest. 



It is only after this total coordination occurs and the plan is ap- 

 proved that the plan may be subjected to the national security con- 

 siderations, which is always one that we have to consider. 



The initial input from the Federal Government comes before the 

 plan is ever approved. 



Secretary Loesch. What you say is all very true. However, one of 

 the things that we, and I believe the other Federal agencies, disagree 

 with is the idea that in case of disagreement in this consultative process 

 in every instance if there were irreconcilable conflicts at that level, the 

 President must be dragged into it, and we do not believe it is appro- 

 priate his getting into this act in case of a dispute between either a 

 State and a Federal agency or between two Federal agencies. 



Even now, if two Federal agencies get into some big wrangle, it is 

 a rare one of those wrangles that ever gets to the Executive Office of 

 the President ; is it not ? It is settled some other way. We are not too 

 crazy about that provision. 



Mr. Heywakd. Well, when more than one department has a legiti- 

 mate interest, it is difficult to put final decisions in one department 

 without some provisions 



Secretary Loesch. Oh, yes. 



Mr. Heyward [continuing]. For an overview; and this language 

 does not require the President personally to intervene if he does not 

 want to. 



It does provide for a mechanism within the Executive Office, either 

 through interagency committee or some other form he may set up to 

 effect the final decision. 



It is an attempt to protect the legitimate interests of all departments. 



As you know", decisions on funding or anything else by committee is 

 very difficult. Somebody has to be the focal point. 



That is all. 



Mr. Lexnon. Thank you, Mr. Counsel. 



Thank you very much, Mr. Secretary. We appreciate your getting 

 here. 



Secretary Loesch. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Lennon. The next witness is representing the Edison Electric 

 Institute, Mr. Shearon Harris, chairman and president of the Carolina 

 Power & Light Co. 



Mr. Jones. Mr. Chairman, will you yield? 



Mr. Lennon. Yes. 



Mr. Jones. I would like to extend a very warm welcome to my friend 

 Shearon Harris. I had the honor of serving with him in 1955 in the 

 North Carolina Legislature, where at that time, at an early age, he 

 showed these marks of leadership which have developed into the posi- 

 tion he now occupies. 



Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Lennon. I join in everything you have said and extend a cordial 

 and hearty welcome to our long time and great friend. 



