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opportunities for our own growing population. However, we're not living in a 

 little world, all by ourselves. If we have attractive opportunities here people from 

 outside are going to want to move to Delaware, as they have been doing. But I 

 think it would be dead wrong to have some objective of getting the maximum 

 number of industrial establishments here in order to build up our population. 



Would you go as far as the Governor of Oregon who said, "I'd like to have 

 you visit, but please don't come to stay"? I wouldn't go quite that far, no. 



Oil refineries and steel and paper mills have to go somewhere. Where would 

 you put them? Well, let's talk about oil refineries, I think that existing refineries 

 could markedly increase their capacity. I had the assignment at Du Pont of 

 increasing the capacity of major plants. It's done repeatedly. People say, we can't 

 increase any more than we've already done. Then someone says do it, and it gets 

 done. We have already allocated a certain amount of space to the operation of 

 refineries, and the challenge ought to be to use that space much more effectively 

 instead of messing up some other land around our country. We need to give high 

 priority to some of the other aspects of living, such as enjoying the beaches and 

 the hunting and the fishing and the open spaces. If we give enough priority to 

 those aspects of life, you can bet we'll find alternate solutions to these other prob- 

 lems. I hink it's very important that all over America — all over the world, for 

 that matter — people start drawing lines around choice pieces of real estate and 

 say, look, this is off limits for certain kinds of operations. 



If the new industrial plants that will be needed are forced to locate in places 

 where it's uneconomic to operate, everything will cost more. Do you think the 

 public is ready and willing to pay more for such things as electric power? I think 

 absolutely that the public is willing and able to pay more to gain this recrea- 

 tional opportunity. 



Do you see a way to reconcile growth and environmental protection? Yes. I 

 think population growth in the world — in America — is one of the major prob- 

 lems that leads to fouling up our environment. I believe that a reasonable con- 

 trol over the population is in order. That's why I've been a strong proponent of 

 Planned Parenthood. The tremendous explosion of population in any one area is 

 bound to cause problems with the environment. Take this Delaware coastal zone. 

 If a hundred times more people come to enjoy the hunting, the fishing, the swim- 

 ming, and the boating here, it would not be a very attractive spot. 



How long do you think as highly attractive a piece of real estate as Delaware 

 can protect itself against the persistent incursions of industry? Well, look what's 

 happened in New York City. Central Park is still there. You have a tremendous 

 pressure for building space. Higher and higher office buildings go up all around 

 the park, but still there's a hunk of land right there in the center of the city 

 that people have decided to hang on to. 



Do you anticipate a time when the United States might have a national policy 

 concerning land use and energy growth? That's a possibility. We already have 

 a national policy on the interstate arteries of transportation, the highways, the 

 airways, and the waterways. I hope, though, that we don't get to the point 

 where the federal government starts dictating where private enterprise can and 

 should be located in a state or a county. But there can be some legitimate argu- 

 ments in favor of federal government involvement in this area. 



What, in your opinion, can the average citizen who has no political clout do to 

 protect the environment in this country? If you have enough citizens who are 

 determined to protect the environment, and we do have, they can organize so 

 that they do have political clout. One thing that has been driven home to me in 

 the three years I've been Governor is that our democratic process does work. 

 When people really get exercised about something, their representatives respond. 

 If a substantial number of people believe in cleaning up our environment, and 

 if they work at it, they will be heard. 



Mr. Eagleton. Mr. President, I suggest the absence of a quorum. 



The Presiding OmcER. The clerk will call the roll. 



The legislative clerk proceeded to call the roll. 



Mr. PIoi.LTXs. Mr. President, T ask unanimous consent that the 

 oi'der for the quorum call be rescinded. 



The Presiding Officer. Without objection, it is so ordered. 



Mr. PIoLLiNS. Mr. President, pending the arrival of the distin- 

 guished Senator from Alaska in the Chamber in connection with his 

 amendment, I wish to insert in the record a few comments relative 



