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(By unanimous consent, Mr. Lennon was allowed to proceed for 2 

 additional minutes.) 



Mr. Lennon. That was true at that point in time, but Reorganization 

 Plan No. 4, recommended by the President and concurred in by this 

 Congress, removed from the Bureau of Commercial Fisheries from 

 the Department of the Interior and put it in NOAA. 



Mr. Kyl. Will my respected friend yield ? 



Mr. Lennon. Of course, if I have the time. 



Mr. Ktl. Of course, this NOAA is designed for scientific purposes. 

 The gentleman a moment ago in an earlier speech referred to the fact 

 that 66 million people live in this area that is going to be managed. 

 That is hardly a matter for ocean scientists to determine, I would 

 suggest to the gentleman. That is a land management proposition and 

 not a matter of ocean science. 



JNIr. Lennon. Let me respond by saying this is a coastal zone manage- 

 ment bill. It is an ocean-orientecl and not land-oriented bill. That is 

 the diiference. 



One other point has been brought out. A complete land use manage- 

 ment program for this country this year or next year is necessary, and 

 it is your suggestion that we put it in the Department of the Interior 

 until such time as we take up the whole thing. 



I urge the Committee to vote this amendment down. 



Mr. MosHER. Mr. Chairman, I rise in opposition to the amendment. 



Mr. Chairman, I do strongly oppose the amendment. 



I would like to remind the House that just 2 years ago President 

 Nixon by Executive order but then with the compliance of the House 

 by almost unanimous action created the — National Oceanic and Atmos- 

 pheric Administration — NO AA— and for the express purpose of focus- 

 ing its attention on the marine environment. I assert that the coastal 

 zones are a vital part of that environment. 



By the way I beg to differ with the gentleman from Iowa when he 

 just referred to NOAA as essentially a scientific agency. It is in part 

 a scientific agency, but it goes well beyond that in the management 

 authority in many areas. 



Mr. Kyl. Would the gentleman yield ? 



Mr. MosHER. Yes ; I yield. 



Mr. Kyl. A moment ago he said that because this ocean area was 

 different the management ought to be in the hands of an oceanographic 

 agency. We have a forestry department in the National Government 

 and we have national land-use planning. Does the gentleman think we 

 ought to have those national forests planned under the Forest Service 

 and outside any national land-use planning? 



Mr. MosHER. I think that the gentleman should understand that 

 in writing this legislation the committee fully recognized that ulti- 

 mately the Congress will probably approve overall land management 

 legislation, and we very conspicuously adopted this legislation to 

 that ultimate effect. 



I do not think that this legislation in any way conflicts with the 

 probability that in the future there will be legislation for overall 

 land-use management. 



Mr. Kyl. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield? 



