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know that we cannot get through that committee a bill that would 

 extend to the whole country. 



Now, the Senator's amendment goes in the other direction and says 

 "but do not cover coal-fired plants or any other plants; only those 

 related to production energy- resources offshore." 



That is too limited. Thaf is not what the coastal energ>^ impact pro- 

 gram is designed to do. 



Mr. Bumpers. Mr. President, will the Senator yield to me ? 



Mr. Ste\^xs. Yes. 



Mr. Bumpers. This covers nuclear powcrplants, for example, in the 

 coastal zone. 



^Ir. Stevens. Rie:ht. 



Mr. Bumpers. But that is not what this bill pays. It says any energy 

 facility which will have an impact on a coastal zone. It does not have 

 to be located in the zone. 



Mr. Ste\t:ns. That is what we are trying to protect. 



Mr. Bumpers. I understand that. Of course, what the Senator is 

 doing here is giving people an incentive to build powerplants in the 

 coastal zone because he is giving them money to do it. 



Mr, Stevexs. Xo, we are giving them an incentive to build out of 

 the coastal zone. That is what we hope we are doing. 



Mr. Bumpers. Let me ask another question and ask the Senator 

 to respond. 



Under section 102, general provisions, which is on page 12 of the 

 bill, subsection (j) which says " 'energy facilities' means new facilities, 

 or additions to existing facilities," and then on down in subparagraph 

 (2) "which are or will be used primarily for the manufacture, pi-oduc- 

 tion, or assembly of equipment, machinery, products, or devices which 

 are or will be directly involved in any activity described in paragraph 

 (1) of this subsection * * * " that could mean if Westinghouse has a 

 plain turbine manufacturing plant not in a coastal zone, not located 

 in the coastal zone or any of the coastal zone States, and they are 

 going to ship one of those" turbines to Arkansas, you are still entitled 

 to aid for that Westingliouse plant, be it located in that State, because 

 it is directly involved in the manufacture of equipment which will be 

 used to generate electricit3\ 



Mr. Stevens. Well, I think the Senator from Arkansas could prob- 

 ably stretch it that far, but I doubt tliat. 



Mr. Bumpers. Let me say to the Senator from Alaska, I Imve been a 

 Governor, and j-our imagination is unlimited when it comes to looking 

 at Federal money. [Laughter.] 



^Ir. Stevens. I sometimes wish some of us had that experience be- 

 cause, many of us do not have that kind of imagination, and I wish 

 we did. 



Let me say to the Senator from Arkansas he is really stretching the 

 meaning of this bill. We are talking about extraction, exploitation, 

 treatment, transportation and storage of any energy resources. 



I do not know of anyliody wlio is flying fuel, except in my State 

 where we are building a pipeline and are flying gns by air, but that 

 would not lie related to this. We are talking al)out the resource that is 

 extracted from the coastal zone. I am sure the Senator realizes that his 

 example would be a strained interpretation of this. 



It is certainly not the intent of this. The intent of this is to recog- 

 nize that the coastal zone is going to continue to be impacted by coi)- 



