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Mr. Ste\'exs. Mr. President, will the Senator from South Caro- 

 lina yield? 



Mr. HoLLiNGS. I will yield the floor right now and yield time to 

 the Senator. 



Mr. Stevexs. Let me ask the Senator from Arkansas why does 

 he not want to limit this only to those facilities related to oil aiid gas 

 production? As I understand the Senatoi- from Arkansas' amend- 

 ment, it limits the energy grants under this bill to only oil and gas 

 production. 



We have a problem that goes beyond oil and gas production on- 

 shore. Why does he want to limit this to oil and gas production? I 

 understand why he wants to help in Arkansas, and I am willing 

 to try to give it to him, but why does he Avant to limit aid given in the 

 coastal zone to oil- and gas-related activities? 



Mr. Bumpers. Well, one thing, it is my honest belief that this bill 

 could go further than even its authors and its most ardent proponents 

 really intended. 



As I pointed out a while ago. I do not tliink. for example, manu- 

 facturing energy-producing equipment in any of the coastal zone 

 States, whether that equipment is going to be used there or further 

 inland, that it was ever intended wo would be entitled to impact 

 aid for the siting of such a facility. 



Second, the Senator from South Carolina pointed out earlier that 

 this aid goes to coastal zone States because, one, they are growing at 

 a fast rate. 



My State has a little over 2 million people, but all of a sudden 

 since 1970 — and that is the year they elected a dynamic young Gov- 

 ernor down there — that State has been growing at the fourth fastest 

 rate populationwise and percentagewise of any State in the Nation. 



We have growth pains, too, that is what I am trying to point out. 



I am saying, I do not oppose anyone getting this additional aid. 

 On the contrary, I support it and will support it when all States are 

 treated equally. 



I am saying here that I admire the Senator for supporting this 

 act and for what he is trying to do to protect his coastal land. We 

 have wetlands in Arkansas that I am trying to protect. But I say 

 that this is unfair and it is unfair to the rest of the Nation not to in- 

 clude it in this provision. 



I am saying the President has certainly strongly indicated that he 

 will veto any land use legislation that comes out of this Congress, 

 tomorrow and probably for all time to come, and there is very little 

 use of our having a land use bill if we do this in bits and pieces as 

 we are about to do here. 



INIr. Stevens. I thank the Senator from Arkansas. I still do not 

 understand why he wants to limit these resources. We cannot pro- 

 duce nuclear power offshore, we cannot produce coal, mider 808 (a) 



Mr. Bumpers. Let me say to the Senator from Alaska, we have 

 been producing nuclear power in Arkansas for a long time, we have 

 been producing electricity, natural gas. We cannot do it any more. 



We are about to start a half billion dollar. 1,400-megawatt opera- 

 tion, and we will suffer terrible environmental impacts from that. 

 We will continue to do that. 



